8 shot in Oakland

[bossflossy]

any tea party shit is some shit you read into what i said.

there's been an elaborate, long-running and systematic crippling of social mobility for minorities and the impoverished that has conditioned a large contingent of that group to pursue opportunism, not as a fault but as a survival mechanism.

to recognize the symptom is not to condemn the afflicted. you have to honestly recognize the variables in a system, before you can solve the flaws in it.

if we can agree that a lack of parenting is a huge contributing factor to violence, cyclical poverty and all kinds of other areas that it cascades into this and that area of our communities. you're really talking about opportunistic parents that give more of a fuck about themselves than they do their families, and they pass that shit down, and it's very real. personal accountability is eroding with every generation, and that's just one aspect along w/the way social/civic institutions have been fucking the communities that needs to be addressed.

are we, and our leaders equipped to? has it gone too far? that was the simple question i was posing out the gate.

you are correct, there is a level of personal responsibility needed. a higher level of parenting. and yes the liberal solution is not working, however the conservative solution will be a worse nightmare. to lay the blame of generational poverty at the feet of social safety programs without addressing the other factors of institutionalized racism, out of control justice system to name a few doesn't work either. at least with the liberal solution some people can manage to survive with the social safety net. if you remove it and say it's enabling poverty and being exploited by lazy people and lets give you an opportunity to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, when you don't have boots is going to basically lead to even worse poverty and crime. the current system we have now needs to be tightened up, maybe foster care needs to be expanded and improved and when 16 year old jump offs have kids and cant explain who the daddy is. take them away and when she turns 21 and has shown she's capable by reaching certain educational goals and gainfully employed and has taking parenting classes she can have them back. something needs to be done but the social safety net needs to stay in place.

 

[Nuttkase]

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[Foul Mouth]

any tea party shit is some shit you read into what i said.

there's been an elaborate, long-running and systematic crippling of social mobility for minorities and the impoverished that has conditioned a large contingent of that group to pursue opportunism, not as a fault but as a survival mechanism.

both sides, R/D, are oppertunistic. from the big box CEO to the welfare recipient. from Bush to Obama. and it is a "fault". no ones exempt from human nature.

a party line voter/thinker on either side is a sheep.

 

[Foul Mouth]

at least with the liberal solution some people can manage to survive with the social safety net.

the liberal solution is to get the mexicans and blacks and poor whites to vote for them for generations. it looks like it's been working just fine, and where has it got us?

its just got us to where we've always been and the civil servants rich.

you shouldnt get rich off being a civil servant.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

and i hear the people sayin "do take ur son to the liquor store"...just cause its called a liquor store doesnt mean they dont have anything but liquor...

In Washington state, a liquor store is just that...a liquor store. The only other thing they sell is wine and some cheap ass beer.

 

[SFC I-Side]

yea it sucks and they close at like 7 and arent open on sundays its bullshit

 

[cheeto]

in west oakland there is no grocery stores so people use liquor stores(which are almost on every corner) as grocery stores. and i go to this liquor store all the time and the owners are sum coo ass arabs(idk if they are from arabia but yall know what i meen i call em all arabs) i stay getting my red hot burrito and bags of funyions here playa

 

[SFC I-Side]

Just sayin to no one in particular, community colleges are damm cheap and city college pays out stacks in financial aide, take advantage of government programs

 

[antilabs]

you are correct, there is a level of personal responsibility needed. a higher level of parenting. and yes the liberal solution is not working, however the conservative solution will be a worse nightmare. to lay the blame of generational poverty at the feet of social safety programs without addressing the other factors of institutionalized racism, out of control justice system to name a few doesn't work either. at least with the liberal solution some people can manage to survive with the social safety net. if you remove it and say it's enabling poverty and being exploited by lazy people and lets give you an opportunity to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, when you don't have boots is going to basically lead to even worse poverty and crime. the current system we have now needs to be tightened up, maybe foster care needs to be expanded and improved and when 16 year old jump offs have kids and cant explain who the daddy is. take them away and when she turns 21 and has shown she's capable by reaching certain educational goals and gainfully employed and has taking parenting classes she can have them back. something needs to be done but the social safety net needs to stay in place.

the challenge is in determining who needs more help (and what kind) and who needs less (in what ways). our current solution is to throw money at people because our systems are incapable at being exactly what people need when they need it, for the most part it's money in different forms. that's why earnest community participation is integral, but as discussed earlier, all the pieces necessary may be too far gone. you're talking about millions of people that need to all of a sudden wake up and start nurturing their children, stop letting addiction run their life, go back to school, abdicate violence, etc.

the challenge is staggering, but the verdict is out on whether it's insurmountable. the reason the "if" question needs to be asked is because we have no precedent to look at and say, "yes this is possible," much less, "this is how we're going to do it."

 

[antilabs]

both sides, R/D, are oppertunistic. from the big box CEO to the welfare recipient. from Bush to Obama. and it is a "fault". no ones exempt from human nature.

a party line voter/thinker on either side is a sheep.

i agree.

human nature is also capable of striving for progress, instilling values, pursuing education, nurturing children, overcoming adversity, maintaining integrity, helping other people, being empathic, seeking to understand others, being honest about good & bad. it seems like these virtues are often the exception to the rule when someone does harbor them, it doesn't matter if you're poor, middle class, or in the 1%. the bulk of these values are hard to find in one individual and it's disheartening to know that in 2011.

 

[BASEDVATO]

Same thing in texas, all the little corner liq spots got chips, candy... like a ghettotized 7/11.

I barely drink to be completely honest... and when I do its in the privacy of my own home. I go to them store often for soda chips ect. I don't see wrong bring a kid there, if its for buying snack food, and it literally the closest thing to your house.

 

[BASEDVATO]

siccness can derail a topic in any direction for pages and pages and pages and pages and pages

 

[BASEDVATO]

example:

Thread Topic: Red is my favorite color



Ending discussion: Would you tiddie fuck a preggo girl, while sitting on her belly






















answer: yes

 

[SFC I-Side]

I think we should talk about why your scared to drink in public

 

[BASEDVATO]

^ Because I'm on probation, and don't want to give any chance violated asshole lol I'm to old to be dealing with that

 

[SFC I-Side]

whooooooooooooooops my baaaaaaaad

 

[Legman]

In Washington state, a liquor store is just that...a liquor store. The only other thing they sell is wine and some cheap ass beer.

minnesota is the same way

but lets be real, were talkin about cali, we both know cali liquor stores are there for more then just liquor

 

[Walkin]

ya they sell swishers too. very important.

 

[Foul Mouth]

Same thing in texas, all the little corner liq spots got chips, candy... like a ghettotized 7/11.

I barely drink to be completely honest... and when I do its in the privacy of my own home. I go to them store often for soda chips ect. I don't see wrong bring a kid there, if its for buying snack food, and it literally the closest thing to your house.

every state has different liquor laws. some states sell the liquor, some states sell a liquor license.

in California i dont see why cats are upset about a baby being in a liquor store. as a kid i was always in that bitch, and not for liquor. that in itself aint bad. if your there kickin it outside drinkin 40's with the homies and a baby...thats different.

 

[Walkin]

i was always there for Street Fighter II