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xpanther206

xpanther206

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ArYo said:
1) wasted season
2) we should lose the last game on purpose so we can at least get a beefier draft pick
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1) Absolutely not, you guys improved by 2 or 3 games. You guys beat the division champs twice.

2) Crazy talk a) that's breaking one of the more sacred aspects of the fan code by rooting against your team and b) you underestimate the impact a couple of wins at the end of the year can have on the minds of these young players. Fans who are like this late in every year are shitty fans but also fuckin idiots.

There is a strong correlation between winning percentage in the bottom 10 of the NFL and winning percentage the next season (that is, teams that finish 20-25 in the league usually end up finishing higher the following year than the teams that finish in the 26-32 range, the group of teams you want the Niners to join).

I love your passion, don't be a stupid fan.
 
xpanther206

xpanther206

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southeast619ray said:
Its all good, we all know who the real NFC West champs are. Seattle is gonna choke next week
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1) Tell me who the "real" NFC West champs are and why.

2) Seattle is not going to choke next week b/c they can't. They have absolutely nothing to play for. It's impossible to choke in a meaningless game.
 
ArYo

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xpanther206 said:
1) Absolutely not, you guys improved by 2 or 3 games. You guys beat the division champs twice.

2) Crazy talk a) that's breaking one of the more sacred aspects of the fan code by rooting against your team and b) you underestimate the impact a couple of wins at the end of the year can have on the minds of these young players. Fans who are like this late in every year are shitty fans but also fuckin idiots.

There is a strong correlation between winning percentage in the bottom 10 of the NFL and winning percentage the next season (that is, teams that finish 20-25 in the league usually end up finishing higher the following year than the teams that finish in the 26-32 range, the group of teams you want the Niners to join).

I love your passion, don't be a stupid fan.
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First off don't be a coward and try and talk shit over the net ill leave it at that. And second what's wrong with wantin to lose to get a beefier draft pick? I never said I was rootin against my team, I never would do that. I was just sayin on the inside everyone knows it would be better in the long run for the team to lose to get a better pick. So it might be your opinion that I'm a bad fan cuze I want them to get a beefy draft pick and that's your opinion. Ain't no reason to try and fuckin insult me over the computer where I can't see you. Me personally I think you're a fuckin idiot for not lookin at the big picture of the situation. But it is what it is.
 
ArYo

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xpanther206 said:
That right there is flat out wrong and I will prove it to you. Give me a few days.
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you didn't put the key part of the quote in. I said on the inside everyone knows. as in people know its good, but might not admit it. but i respect your point of view though with what you sayin how a win is good morale for a young team.
 
xpanther206

xpanther206

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The "Lose For a Better Draft Pick" mentality is flawed b/c

1) The Fan Code (never root against your team, if you're physically/emotionally capable of this then you aren't a fan of that squad, plain and simple)

2) It HASN'T PROVEN TO BE CORRECT HISTORICALLY

Even though both of these team groups usually miss the playoff party, finishing in that 6-8 win range bodes much better for the immediate and distant future than finishing in the 3-5 win range. The 6-8 win teams still get great draft picks (Shawne Merriman drafted at #12, he straight terrorized my Hawks today), and the fact you were able to win that many games means that you are not that far away in today's NFL. Losing the last couple to finish with 4-5 wins throws all of that away.

I created a spreadsheet of all NFL Teams in the last 10 years that finished with 8 wins or less. You can download it HERE

Summary -

1 Win: 3 teams
AVG Wins next year = 7.00,
1 of 3 in SB next 5 years (33.33%)

2 Wins: 4 teams
AVG Wins next year = 4.50,
0 of 4 in SB next 5 years (0%)

3 Wins: 11 teams
AVG Wins next year = 6.82,
1 of 11 in SB next 5 years (9.06%)

4 Wins: 20 teams
AVG Wins next year = 6.90,
4 of 20 in SB next 5 years (20%)

5 Wins: 24 teams
AVG Wins next year = 7.46,
3 of 24 in SB next 5 years (12.5%)

6 Wins: 31 teams
AVG Wins next year = 7.87,
6 of 31 in SB next 5 years (19.35%)

7 Wins: 30 teams
AVG Wins next year = 7.20,
5 of 30 in SB next 5 years (16.67%)

8 Wins: 33 teams
AVG Wins next year = 7.76,
10 of 33 in SB next 5 years (30.30%)

AGGREGATED DATA Summary -

1-5 Wins: 62 teams
AVG Wins next year = 6.95,
9 of 62 in SB next 5 years (14.52%)

6-8 Wins: 94 teams
AVG Wins next year = 7.62,
21 of 94 in SB next 5 years (22.34%)

I know mediocrity is not exciting. High draft picks make fans feel more optimistic for next season than winning a couple of meaningless regular season games at the end of the year. But the fact is, 6-8 Win teams with "Mediocre" draft picks (8-16) are almost TWICE AS LIKELY to make a Super Bowl than 1-5 Win teams with those sexy high draft picks.

This is NOT the 12 to a roster NBA, it's the 55 to a roster NFL. There is never a Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan or Lebron James instant league-changer in the NFL Draft. If it was, the NFL would have a lottery too.

Having the highest draft picks usually does not lead to greater immediate or long-term success. It usually leads to that cycle of losing that's extremely difficult to break (Arizona Cardinals, how many high draft picks on that terrible squad?). This mentality is highly indicative of that average Joe Schmo fan out there who simply doesn't get it. Aryo, I read your posts about the game today, you've got heart, I know you're better than this. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to give folks the facts to form their opinions around, I'm trying to help people truly understand what they're watching.

Niner fans, I know Sunday was a tough day for you guys, but trust me, you want to win next week.
 
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Fan code my ass. If my squad is 1-14 playing another 1-14 team for the #1 draft pick then hell yea ima root for them to lose. Winning wouldn't do shit for them in that situation anyways so why not?
 
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Quick said:
Dude broke and his leg and didnt play most of the season......Do you actually watch the game or read the stats........His cockiness is what the niners need....
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Regardless, if you were injured and you're contributing late, stay quite, and just play. Do you see Gore spiking the ball after a TD? Nope.
 
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Regardless, if you were injured and you're contributing late, stay quite, and just play. Do you see Gore spiking the ball after a TD? Nope.
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Frank Gore will act like Frank Gore and Vernon Davis is going to act like Vernon Davis..... Who gives a fuck wheather he spikes the ball or does a back flip, what the fuck does it matter??..How does that not make him a good football????.........And this how nothing to do with being worth 40 mil...........
 
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Was anyone else at this game ?




That rally in the 4th Quarter right after that 2nd Gore TD was the loudest I've heard the crown @ The Stick all season ! Even though they didn't get the stop, that shit was electric ! Everybody was up on their feet for every play...


Even with a losing record, I feel like the fans, especially at the games, have gotten that fire back...not like the previous 2 seasons, where you knew that we had no chance...its like this year...people expected us to win...and were dissapointed when we didn't.


I love that we've got that fire back at The Stick...it makes the games ( even the losing ones ) much more enjoyable...




On a side note:

This was my 6th game this season, and I still didn't get to take a picture with the Banjo Man...anyone who goes out to the games knows who I'm talking about !
 
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There was a rumor going around that the Banjo man from A's and Niners games passed away. Well it was not true because Ive seen him at Niners games this year.
 
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I actually spotted the Niner Banjo Man after the game in the parking lot, and thought about holding up the line to get out, to take a picture, but...I guess there's always next season !



He looked to be in good health, aside from a few missing teeth and debris under the fingernails.


@ Solitary, do you know his actual name ?
 
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rackers hella missed that FG
just like the 1st game vs arizona, too many turnovers.. this time they were late in the game, yet we still lost by less than a touchdown. if we only had 1 more drive on o, but it was too little too late be cuz of the errors
 
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MOREBASS said:
I actually spotted the Niner Banjo Man after the game in the parking lot, and thought about holding up the line to get out, to take a picture, but...I guess there's always next season !



He looked to be in good health, aside from a few missing teeth and debris under the fingernails.


@ Solitary, do you know his actual name ?
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YES.
 
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