I think you recomended those to me before, cause I tried both, they were pretty good, I guess I'm just a green bottle beer drinker, cause all my favorites are green bottled beer.
15-17 sounds about right, i huffed pretty tough for about 2 months then i stopped, not sure why i quit it was pretty fun, i used to huff it in a bag i know some people spray a rag or sock and and put it to there face.