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Lamberto Quintero said:
Ok that's fine. You believe Floyd never ducked anyone and always fought the best? We just disagree breh...I don't think that.
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No I never said he always fought the best, I said he fought the best at 135. Obviously he had some pointless fights in particular the Marquez fight and Guerrero.

And I'd like to know who you think has a better resume of fighters fought...PAC or Floyd? I'm just wondering what you're gonna say.
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I've always said Pac has the better resume. Hopkins has a better resume as well.

It seems you're confused here and think I'm nut hugging Floyd or some shit. You are the one that made the retarded statement that LSC is following what Mayweather does. I'm simply pointing out to you that no, Floyd fought good fighters, he earned his spot. Leo Santa Cruz hasn't fought anyone good and turned down, admittedly ducked, Rigondeaux. Somehow you twist this with me defending everything Floyd does lol.


Bottom line is Floyd got to the top by fighting and beating good opponents. The boxing world doesn't call him pound for pound #1 for no reason. Santa Cruz on the other hand is refusing to fight good opponents. Massive difference.
 
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battle619 said:
2-0-Sixx @2-0-Sixx , you did a good job of throwing Lamberto Quintero @Lamberto Quintero off his game, but he's not talking about who Floyd fought in comparison to LSC. And I'm not comparing Quillin and Garcia to that either. All four foghters have one thing in common and that's their manager, Al Haymon. Haymon presents a blue print to his fighters, Floyd Mayweather and all fighters from GBP 2 years ago, and tells them he will get them huge paydays with low risks. That's why he's getting a lot of fighters to sign. Even Stevenson said that Haymon told him he would be #2 under Floyd. These fighters follow that lead and have no choice but to believe it cuz they do see good paydays for the fighters they are fighting.
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Wait, you're trying to explain to me what Al Haymon does for his fighters? LOL I've been talking about Haymon for years on here. I understand the low risk/high reward strategy of Haymon. But when we're talking about Floyd here, the man has fought good opponents under Haymon as well. He's fought everyone we've wanted him to fight just about besides obviously Pacquiao.

When I'm talking about Leo Santa Cruz, I'm using his own words. The man blatantly ducked Rigondeaux, he did that. Like Rodriguez said, who is managed by Al Haymon, the fighter still has the power to fight who they want to fight. If Leo told Haymon, I want Rigondeaux make it happen, done deal. There is no promotional or network problem like in the case with Floyd/Pacquiao (Top Rank, HBO/Showtime, etc.). The fight is easy to make, if LSC wants it.

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Maidana (just bear broner for his title)
Canelo (undefeated 154 pound champ)
Guerrero (mandatory)
Cotto (154 pound champ)
Ortiz (just beat Berto for his title)
Mosley (just beat Margarito for his title)

And by the way 2-0-Sixx @2-0-Sixx , you have said Guerrero, Canelo, and Maidana did not belong in the ring with Floyd.
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Guerrero yes, and if you see above I said he was one of Floyd's worst opponents. Maidana surprised me. I thought Broner was going to beat him. He gave Floyd a good first fight, which I didn't think he'd be able to do (still not sure if that's a case of me underestimating Maidana or Floyd getting older or a combination of both). Canelo I was on-board with that fight from the get-go. Remember CZAR was talking about Canelo is too big, fuck that fight blah blah blah, I was saying Floyd should fight Canelo. Just because I thought Floyd would beat him doesn't mean it wasn't a good fight.
 
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Lamberto Quintero said:
I'm just comparing Floyd's management to Leo's...they are under the same blueprint under haymon like battle says. That's my point.
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But that's not how it started. If you want to make a statement saying something like Haymon sucks, etc., I would agree with you 10,000%. But what started this debate is that you were defending Leo, saying he's smart and it's good business, etc. That I disagree with.
 
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Lamberto Quintero said:
How is it not good business tho? El chakal would make him look bad, hurting his stock as a fighter. To me, can't do worse business than that.
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Well, myself and naner already talked about why it's bad business. Just because he would lose doesn't mean people wouldn't watch him fight anymore! This is boxing, guys lose, doesn't matter. Look at Cotto, look at all the top guys, it happens. Canelo lost to Mayweather, did it hurt his stock? He's still the top Mexican fighter in the world. Like I said before, Leo is being clowned on right now all over social media. His reputation is damaged, he looks like a coward/bitch, etc. He needs to fight good opponents and since he's not, people are getting sick of it. If he would have fought Rigondeaux and lost, he would at least get respect for fighting the best. Same thing happened to Adonis Stevenson. Look at how much his ratings dropped. That's not smart business.
 
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Lamberto Quintero said:
^ I said I hear you guys...but Leo's not the only fighter that ducks fights where the styles obviously will make him look bad. I'm not saying it's right, but that is boxing these days and Leo is definitely not the only one. Just seems like people want to believe that he is.
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Plenty of guys get called out, man. A duck is a duck doesn't matter who it is. Usually there is some kind of excuse though, or a legit problem like promoters or the networks, Leo just flat out admits to ducking.

The thing with Leo is that he is in the same weight class as Rigondeaux and Rigondeaux is a unified title holder and is the lineal champion. It's not as if Rigondeaux is just another title holder, he is THE MAN in the weight class. How embarrassing is it for Leo to not even want to be champion of his own weight class? He's not even willing to try lol.
 
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Lamberto Quintero said:
Fighters use excuses like networks and promotion companies to duck! You know this breh! A duck is a duck, you're right. And there is no acceptable excuse for ducking other than ducking. But issues like different networks and promotional companies have been resolved for fights before...
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Sometimes there are legit problems though. If a guy has a contract with HBO, and another a contract with Showtime, the fight can't happen unless there is a joint PPV. If the two fighters aren't PPV worthy fighters, the fight can't happen. So unfortunately there are legit reasons why some fights can't happen.

*The only time they can is if the fight is ordered by a sanctioning body and it goes to a purse bid (Lara vs Vanes is an example). Unfortunately there is no such thing at this present time of a mandatory unification fight (like the WBA and WBC can't order their own champions to fight each other, that may change though).
 
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Damn Lamberto that was one hellavu schooling by 206. If I was you I would quit while your behind lol. Talking about Floyd ducking fighters when they were two weight classes lower hahahah. Classic dog. Got Em!!
 
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heyzel said:
Let's be honest fam may weather did duck Paul Williams nobody wanted to fight him at 147 154
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And that was during the time Floyd retired. Williams wasn't anyone until he beat Margarito at the end of 2007, right before Floyd fought Ricky Hatton in December of 2007. Floyd retired after that fight, Williams lost his next fight to Carlos Quintana and when Floyd returned in 2009, Williams was fighting at middleweight. Narrow split nod over Martinez and then KTFO by Martinez. Ducking? No. But was Floyd really retired or just taking a break when the division was hot? I say the latter. I'll always be critical of that from Floyd, he should have been fighting those guys instead of taking an extended vacation.

I always thought it wasn't a good idea for Williams to jump around in three weight classes. The reason he got the Margarito fight at 147 was because he was Margarito's mandatory. Once he started weight class jumping he lost any mandatory positions and his rankings at 147 because he never returned to the weight class, so he couldn't force guys like Cotto, etc to fight him. I wish he would have stuck at 147 the fucking size difference was huge! Damn shame what happened, the Canelo fight would have been interesting, but by then he wasn't looking as good, got absolutely schooled by Lara shortly after getting KOd by Sergio.
 
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