Canelo vs Alfredo Angulo [March 8th]

[2-0-Sixx]

Lara confronted Canelo while Canelo was making his post fight speech:

Lara told Canelo - "Everyone wants to see us fight, when are we going to fight. Everybody wants to see that fight."

Canelo replied - "Who wants to see us fight? Does anyone want to see us fight? These are not how fights are made."

 

[drunkaholic707]

 

[Coach E. No]

You nailed it bro. Canelo was pivoting like a mutha after he threw the hook and it was like where was that during the Floyd fight? He already had his head movement prior but now his footwork makes him hella dangerous. He made Angulo back up cuz of that and took him out of perro's comfort zone and he just wasn't landed the punches the way he wanted to. What got me mad is that Canelo didn't make wait to fuck up Angulo but was hella dehydrated for Floyd! Canelo at 100% is the most dangerous fighter in the sport and that's why I believed he was going to beat Floyd. But now he has to make the fight with Lara and destroy him. but yeah it will be Canelo vs Floyd, the trilogy

that pivoting is taking power off of his hook and is leaving him off balance. Canelo is also far from being the "most dangerous fighter in the sport." Get real man. Angulo was a cherry pick from the beginning. He can and should be able to excel against a fighter like him. Don't get too excited.

 

[HERESY]

I tried to multi quote but it only quoted the last one. What I'm specifically talking about, again, is Canelo's power. Has absolutely othing to do with Tito. It's pretty clear to me Canelo isn't a one punch KO kind of guy, he's a strong powerful fighter who wears opponents down. Last night he showed all of his arsenal and it was impressive.

When I said Canelo only fought two legit JMW'S I'm talking about ranked guys. Baldimor was old and shot, Cintron shot coming off losses, these guys were not ranked. He's fought two legit top ten guys in Trout and Rhodes (and now Angulo). The point of bringing that up is to gauge his power and I think that backs up what I'm saying in that he's not the type of guy Thats going to score one big shot. He has heavy hands that do damage.

Why is any of this important? Because if he fights Lara, who is a counter puncher and uses movement, his heavy hands aren't going to be landing on a frequent basis, he doesn't have that one punch kind of power to stop Lara.

When Canelo got the Floyd fight I was the main person saying he didn't earn the fight and fought limited top ten fighters. So if we are going to talk about guys coming off losses, not ranked, etc you have to look at everyone in the division. The guy Cotto fought last. What was he like 17? Again, look at EVERYONE in the division and you will see a limited number of wins against guys that were ranked in the top ten and had multiple fights.

Again, look at Canelo's ko/tko percentage at his current weight. 11-1 with 7 ko/tko. That is stopping power. Look at his overal percentage and it is in the 60's. So to make the claim that he is the Bradley of the division and is completely insane. Molina has the numbera in line with Bradley not Canelo.

Why does Tito matter? Because he asked me to post only those with a fight at that weight. So you are agreeing with him yet when we look at Hopkins, who often fought guys who were not true mw fighters, coming off of loses, shot, etc you give excuses.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

When Canelo got the Floyd fight I was the main person saying he didn't earn the fight and fought limited top ten fighters. So if we are going to talk about guys coming off losses, not ranked, etc you have to look at everyone in the division. The guy Cotto fought last. What was he like 17? Again, look at EVERYONE in the division and you will see a limited number of wins against guys that were ranked in the top ten and had multiple fights.

Again, look at Canelo's ko/tko percentage at his current weight. 11-1 with 7 ko/tko. That is stopping power. Look at his overal percentage and it is in the 60's. So to make the claim that he is the Bradley of the division and is completely insane. Molina has the numbera in line with Bradley not Canelo.

You're not understanding what I mean when I say one punch KO power vs Heavy hands. That's all I'm talking about here.

Why does Tito matter? Because he asked me to post only those with a fight at that weight. So you are agreeing with him yet when we look at Hopkins, who often fought guys who were not true mw fighters, coming off of loses, shot, etc you give excuses.

Again as I explained (third time now) I was agreeing on his power (look back I said "I kinda agree). The way to gauge his power is by his fights against other JMW's (he didn't even stop Matthew Hatton). You are seriously reaching with Tito/Hopkins since I'm specifically talking about one punch power vs being heavy handed. Again the relevance of this is my take on a potential fight with Lara.

BTW, you won't find many guys Hopkins fought coming off losses. The only one I can think of was his pointless rematch with Roy Jones when Bhop was like 45. Other than that you'd probably have to go back about 18-20 years.

 

[HERESY]

You're not understanding what I mean when I say one punch KO power vs Heavy hands. That's all I'm talking about here.



Again as I explained (third time now) I was agreeing on his power. The way to gauge his power is by his fights against other JMW's (he didn't even stop Matthew Hatton). You are seriously reaching with Tito/Hopkins since I'm specifically talking about one punch power vs being heavy handed.

Again, not too many people in the entire division have one punch power. The problem is Bradley, who he was compared to, has NO POWER. So it is stupid to say he is the Bradley of the division when the numbers show opposite.

Then you talk about Citrion but the facts are he wasn't coming off of losses like that. He had a win before the fight, a loss to Molina, a loss to Williams via a technicality, two wins prior and a draw with Sergio. How is he shot?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Ha, I looked it up. The last time Hopkins fought a guy coming off a loss besides Roy Jones was Andrew Council in 1997.

 

[HERESY]

Ha, I looked it up. The last time Hopkins fought a guy coming off a loss besides Roy Jones was Andrew Council in 1997.

The fact you had to look it up shows you are not a Hopkins fan.

 

[Coach E. No]

lol ^^

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Again, not too many people in the entire division have one punch power. The problem is Bradley, who he was compared to, has NO POWER. So it is stupid to say he is the Bradley of the division when the numbers show opposite.

I wasn't talking about the Bradley part, I don't agree with that at all either.

Then you talk about Citrion but the facts are he wasn't coming off of losses like that. He had a win before the fight, a loss to Molina, a loss to Williams via a technicality, two wins prior and a draw with Sergio. How is he shot?

He looked horrible during that stretch of fights. Maybe not shot but certainly past prime (has he even fought since Canelo?).

 

[2-0-Sixx]

The fact you had to look it up shows you are not a Hopkins fan.

Lol because it only happened like twice in his career. Anyways, point still proved you wrong (Hopkins fought shot guys and guys coming off losses).

 

[HERESY]

Now I just looked at the division and here are the percentages when it comes to ko/tko. I rounded up where applicable and it is just as I said earlier with Molina being the lowest. This is the p4p ranking order from Ring.

Floyd 58% (rounded up)
Canelo 72%
Lara 63%
Cotto 82% (rounded up)
Molina 27%
Trout 54% (rounded up)
Andrade 65%
Martirosyin 64%
Nelson 57%
Charlo 48% (rounded up)
Smith 44%

Now look at Bradley at 39%. Canelo's percentage is almost double that of Bradley yet someone makes the claim he is the Bradley of the division but there is only one person with a higher percentage and that is Cotto. LOL.

 

[HERESY]

Lol because it only happened like twice in his career. Anyways, point still proved you wrong (Hopkins fought shot guys and guys coming off losses).

Nope. We are allowed to make statements and not back them up with any shred of logic or credible evidence.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Now I just looked at the division and here are the percentages when it comes to ko/tko. I rounded up where applicable and it is just as I said earlier with Molina being the lowest. This is the p4p ranking order from Ring.

Floyd 58% (rounded up)
Canelo 72%
Lara 63%
Cotto 82% (rounded up)
Molina 27%
Trout 54% (rounded up)
Andrade 65%
Martirosyin 64%
Nelson 57%
Charlo 48% (rounded up)
Smith 44%

Now look at Bradley at 39%. Canelo's percentage is almost double that of Bradley yet someone makes the claim he is the Bradley of the division but there is only one person with a higher percentage and that is Cotto. LOL.

I don't know why The Ring doesn't rank James Kirkland he should certainty be above Ishe Smith. Anyways, just so he's not excluded He has 85% KO ratio.

 

[Coach E. No]

Those percentages are subjective because Canelo has a larger number of fights against guys that none of us has ever heard of. He was like 33-0 when he fought Cotto who isn't very good to begin with. The guys he's stopped since then had been stopped before, if not multiples times in their career, or were completely washed up. Not to mention he still didn't stop guys like Ndou, Hatton, or Mosely (yes I realize he's never been stopped).

I agree that he's heavy handed, but his ko percentage doesn't mean that much right now. He hasn't fought that many top guys at all. The likelihood of him stopping guys in the top ten that were metioned probably isn't that high either I would guess. He's no Tim Bradley, but at least Bradley has been facing top guys for years now. He would have a much higher ko percentage if he fought 35 times before facing someone like Baldomir. Baldomir was no better than Nate Campbell in comparison when Bradley fought him.

 

[WYNO707X4]

Canelo has pop way more than bradley and cherry picker...but not that go to sleep pop u guyz seen angulos face

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Hmm actually that was kind of embarrassing for Lara lol. Lara should have pushed him or something, do some WWF type shit to cause a stir

 

[HERESY]

Those percentages are subjective because Canelo has a larger number of fights against guys that none of us has ever heard of. He was like 33-0 when he fought Cotto who isn't very good to begin with. The guys he's stopped since then had been stopped before, if not multiples times in their career, or were completely washed up. Not to mention he still didn't stop guys like Ndou, Hatton, or Mosely (yes I realize he's never been stopped).

I agree that he's heavy handed, but his ko percentage doesn't mean that much right now. He hasn't fought that many top guys at all. The likelihood of him stopping guys in the top ten that were metioned probably isn't that high either I would guess. He's no Tim Bradley, but at least Bradley has been facing top guys for years now. He would have a much higher ko percentage if he fought 35 times before facing someone like Baldomir. Baldomir was no better than Nate Campbell in comparison when Bradley fought him.

Which is why, from the start, I said to compare his numbers to others in the division and use the exact same formula that was posted to prove some mythical opinion. You do it and you will see he is still ranked near or at the top. And my point is not that he has fought the top guys, he has not, and I was the main one saying he did not earn the fight with Floyd. What I am saying is he is no Bradley when it comes to stopping power. He isn't.

Stop trying to make points that have nothing to do with anything.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Richard Schaefer said Lara could be an opponent next for Canelo, or it could be a guy from 160 moving down to 154, or a guy moving up from 147. IF I were Lara I'd pull out of that worthless Ishe Smith fight.Im also confused by Richard's comments on guys moving down/up

 

[HERESY]

Richard Schaefer said Lara could be an opponent next for Canelo, or it could be a guy from 160 moving down to 154, or a guy moving up from 147. IF I were Lara I'd pull out of that worthless Ishe Smith fight.Im also confused by Richard's comments on guys moving down/up

Well he is a mandatory to one of Floyds belts so Lara is in a good position.

Canelo possibility
Floyds mandatory
Fighting a top ten fighter in Smith