A new Tupac course at U.W

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A new Tupac course titled "The Textual Appeal of Tupac Shakur"

Posted by Stephen on Monday, October 20 2003
Sun Tzu. Christopher Marlowe. Niccolo Machiavelli. Frantz Fanon. What do these men have in common?

Few could imagine the common thread among these four thinkers and philosophers to be modern-day gangster rapper Tupac Shakur and his lyrics. A new class at the UW, however, emphasizes just that.

The course, titled The Textual Appeal of Tupac Shakur, is taught through the Comparative History of Ideas (CHID) program by Georgia Roberts, an English graduate student.

Despite the name, students are not given a 10-week course on hip-hop and rap. Rather, the aim of the course is to analyze the men in history who Tupac idolized and admired, according to Roberts.

The idea is to begin with common ground, the lyrics of Tupac Shakur, and to dissect them as pieces of poetry with references to other famous literary works.

“I want students to think of what Tupac was thinking when he wrote those lyrics,” said Roberts. “What are the universal themes? The students should get involved in his lyrics and see if there are themes in the books they will read that match the lyrics.”

Hip-hop, and gangster rap specifically, has been heavily criticized by prominent political figures for its emphasis on violent behavior.

Tipper Gore organized the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) in the ‘80s as a response to the expletive lyrics in modern-day music. According to MTV Music News, she has since apologized to those affected by PMRC.

In 2000, the Federal Trade Commission released a report that claimed the entertainment industry was repeatedly targeting minors, and advised the industry to establish codes prohibiting marketing to children, increase compliance at the retail level and educate parents about warning labels.

Locally, the Seattle Times reported in 2000 that Mayor Paul Schell blamed a shooting in Pioneer Square on hip-hop music.

Tupac did his own part in sparking controversy while music was being criticized for its influences on society.

Tupac’s violent image and lyrics contrast drastically with the reflective Tupac, who wrote songs about young girls being impregnated and not losing faith when times were hard.
Tupac himself was affected by the violence his music and lifestyle implied. In 1996 he died after being shot five times. Tupac’s unsolved murder and the aggressive rivalry between him and rapper Notorious BIG left an image in many people’s minds of both Tupac and his rap as violent, valueless music, an idea Roberts disagrees with.

That impression is precisely what Roberts’ class aims to change.

“Hip-hop is no joke. It’s a force and it’s a movement,” said Roberts. “I want students to realize that [Tupac] was in conversation with some of the greatest literature of our time. Just because he’s a hip-hop artist, [this] shouldn’t be belittled.”

Much of today’s hip-hop has been colonized by corporate America, according to Roberts, but there are elements within hip-hop that are fundamental to a political agenda.
Tupac’s lyrics included references to Tzu, Marlowe, Machiavelli and Fanon, and he attempted to be thematic about expressing his views on society. Of great fascination to Roberts is Tupac’s discussion of an alternative nation called “Thug Nation” in his lyrics.

A third-year graduate student, Roberts discovered the idea of teaching this course while at UC-Berkeley completing her undergraduate degree. At Berkeley there is a course on linking hip-hop music and literature.

While her focus of study is 19th-century American literature, Roberts is extremely interested in masculinity studies. Tupac’s lyrics provide insight for Roberts on connections between masculinity and American identity.

Last winter Roberts taught a focus group on 19th-century author Henry James. In spring, she taught the history of hip-hop. For Roberts, there is no shame in combining personal preferences, such as hip-hop music, with academic study.

“As a graduate student, I’m still learning and still a student. It’s cool to study something you’re interested in,” she said. “People have tons of interests, and [by seeing] the connections they share through music or politics, you can learn a bunch of different things. This is the type of teaching that CHID supports.”

Roberts plans to continue this unique teaching style in her career as a professor.
While the focus of the course is on the lyrics of Tupac Shakur, it is heavily reading-based, and students will read many of the classical literary texts that Tupac refers to in his lyrics.
Students of the course have been forewarned to have a general idea of the history of hip-hop, which dates back to the early 1970s. Being familiar with Tupac’s work is also a bonus, because each week students are asked to bring in pieces of his lyrics that relate to the authors they are reading.

Roberts hopes that this course, which is only taught as a focus group, will eventually become a permanent class at the UW. While there was room for 25 in the classroom, more than 150 students e-mailed Roberts and asked her for an add code, even after knowing that the class included heavy reading.

“If I can show that this is not just a fluff class for students and that we can learn from this common interest we share in hip-hop, I think there is a chance that it can become a class.”
 

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^^ Yeah...but its only expensive if you're rich already. Kinda funny.

Average amount of need UW will meet is like...90% or something rediculous. So if you're determined to have a need of $15,000 a year, and you're poor as hell and are only "expected" to be able to raise about 2500 of that, UW will give you like 12-5 a year, of the top.

I'm tryin to get my broke ass into UW as we speak...i got my ap all ready, classes lined up and everything.........not sure if this class would fit in, but i would probably take it, just cuz.
 

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UW is pretty hard to get into....people from my HS with 4.0 gpa's and tons of extracurricular activities got rejected from there....

i'd like to take the course, but i dunno if it would actually be interesting....seems like they might be using Tupac's name to get more enrollment.....the class could be wack as fuck, ya never know....
 

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gettin into the UW is one thing....but gettin certified into your major is another....I'm hella glad I didn't go the UW...you have to hold a 3.5 after ALL your preq. are completed to get certified into business school....that ain't no joke....at all!!!
 

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Business school? Fuck that....fuck medicine and vetrinary and all that stuff too.....I'm just goin for the straight Bachelor of Arts. Avg Overall GPA for Transfers is like 3.3...high school, yeah, is like 3.8 or 3.9 + SAT, its rediculous.


I'ma go check out the UW website, and see if i cant find a link with more info on this.....
 

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2-0-Sixx said:
Yeah, good fucking luck getting into U dub. Post a thread or something when you get the word of your enrollment :rolleyes:
Fuck all that...I go to WSU and I'm almost touchin my degree....Finance major.....econ minor....accounting minor....

bwaaaaaa!!!:cool:
 
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i read an artical about it at school.... It kinda sounded like it wasnt about tupac as much as it was about using examples of the things he said in his raps that relate to all that old ass literature and stuff. But it still seems pretty kool to actually have a rap artist be the topic of the class. Shows how far hip hop has come in the last decade.
 

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Berkley has had a class based on Tupac for years....I dunno if they're the same, I don't think they are though....
 

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What a fucking joke... I can't believe Tupac is going to go down in history as one of the great philosophers. I don't have anything against the guy, but from an objective point of view... I guess if the next rapper to blow up was to forcast his death via guns, make a few songs about troubled kids and welfare moms, crackheads and the struggles of youth... then he could go down in history as well. "I didn't create thug life, I diagnosed it" - Come on ya'll... Pac is still talking about the same subjects that everybody has touched on before and after his death... he was just charismatic enough to make people think he cared, and I'm sure he genuinly did based off of where he was from and how his mother raised him but dood is gettin' too much credit IMO... his Thug Life movement hasen't changed shit. Ain't a DAMN THING CHANGED... Pac ain't MLK, who I have a great amount of respect for.
 
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Those who don't see, simply haven't seen yet... that's all.

Tupac was a visionary, if you are basing his status as one of our great modern philosophers on his song making and prophetic realization of his own death, than you are looking in the wrong direction for answers.

Tupac was much more than a rapper and his status will never be challenged, because he was a pioneer in what he did.

"...from an objective point of view... I guess if the next rapper to blow up was to forcast his death via guns, make a few songs about troubled kids and welfare moms, crackheads and the struggles of youth... then he could go down in history as well."

If that is all you think Tupac did, then I understand why you feel he is overrated... I guess, in my mind, Tupac is the most underappreciated figure in hip-hop, because even many of those who appreciate him, appreciate him for the wrong reasons. (I'm not saying they are wrong in their appreciation, I'm saying that they miss the bigger picture).
 

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"Tupac was much more than a rapper and his status will never be challenged, because he was a pioneer in what he did" -- bite your tongue.

All Pac spoke was English, and all he repped was the urban audience.....he'll have to do more than that to be considered a great American visionary.
 

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^^If that's all he did for you, then say that....But to a lot of people the words he spoke, rapped, and wrote, meant a lot. People can relate to what he said and wrote. He's not just a rapper, I do believe he also wrote poetry (and rap is poetry as well).

To say he was a great American visionary might be an overstatement, but it seems like you and a few other people are just discrediting everything he spoke, wrote, and stood for.
 

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^^ He was anti-Government and only spoke English. So what is you talkin about "if that's all he did for you"?

To the best of my knowledge, 2pac never wrote an all-SPanish album....or toured orphanages in Sao Paolo, Brazil....or lobbied the Californian legislature about educational or economic reform.....so again, i ask, what is you talkin about?
 

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Why is speaking multiple languages or doing that other shit so important in your eyes? Just cause he doesn't speak spanish, french, portugeuese (spelling?), and chinese doesn't mean shit....Obviously you haven't read what I was saying very closely....WORDS mutha fucka! I don't believe that he's an American visionary, but that doesn't mean that his ideas, thoughts, and words didn't effect MILLIONS of people.