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Aug 20, 2004
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L-Train said:
So this one goes out to all that say "i dont believe in God but i am a good person" tell me what determines good with out looking at God. mass society even none believers that look a good as doing "GOOD DEEDS" have christian principals, so there for if they are not putting forth efort in a relationship with Jesus they still put faith into the principal of christian faith and beliefs, and for those who say "im glad to live in a free country", well then your glad to support the christian laws abound through the bible. this is a nation under God and was established on protastant christianity It all comes down to what you want to put your faith into either you can put FAITH in NOTHING or you can put your FAITH into GOD so either way your putting faith in to something even if it is nothing. You cant knock till you rock it and for those who knock the faith and yet say they are a good person well then how can you call your self good when you your self are going against all that is good.

This is a nation of MONEY....even GOD is on money homie...dont play that game cus youre NOT gonna win that debate...
 
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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
SO EVERYONE THAT DOESNT BELIEVE INTHE SAME SHIT AS YOU...IS BEIN CHASTIZED???IM GLAD I LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY...

I DONT BELEIVE IN GOD...AND?I DONT BELEIVE IN CHEATING ON WOMEN OR LETTING PEOPLE STARVE...

JUST CUS I DONT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER THAT IVE NEVER MET/SEEN/TALKED TO...DOESNT MEAN IM NOT A GOOD PERSON....
no one said it did meen that, its just hard to look around and not see that there is a god, alot of people that dont believe in god believe in evolution, but the possibility that this all happened by chance is like an explotion in an art supply store, making a novel, with all the words written in the same precision. there had to be some inventor, because if little details were slightly varied, it wouldnt work, i have a harder time believing that this presision was acheived through chance, than i do believing an all powerfull god i never met, seen , or talked to created it, and made it all work. it is often hard to understand why god lets things happen, but this is the thing, the gift he gave us was free choice, he cant give us free choice then just decide to stop certain people from doing fucked up shit to other people, its their choice to do what they want.
 
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Gringo Starr said:
This is a nation of MONEY....even GOD is on money homie...dont play that game cus youre NOT gonna win that debate...
he is right though, the founding fathers were men of faith, so in a way this is really a nation under god
 
Aug 20, 2004
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thatguy said:
he is right though, the founding fathers were men of faith, so in a way this is really a nation under god
This country was "born" on power and expansion...most uprisings in history were government vs. GOD...the poor lookin up at the rich...MONEY....
 
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L-Train said:
So this one goes out to all that say "i dont believe in God but i am a good person" tell me what determines good with out looking at God.
Kind actions toward others, basically anything the opposite of imposing/inflicting/causing harm too another individual or a group of individuals.. where did u see "god" in all that?

L-Train said:
mass society even none believers that look a good as doing "GOOD DEEDS" have christian principals,
not really.. u can do good but not have "christian principals" lets take for instance my neighbor. He donated like 2500 too the katrina fund... very good deed... however, he's hindu. so good deeds arent limited too christian principals..


L-Train said:
so there for if they are not putting forth efort in a relationship with Jesus they still put faith into the principal of christian faith and beliefs,
huh?? i dont understand that.. ok christianity preaches good deeds.. but jus because someone does good deeds yet doesnt believe in christ doesnt mean they are following a christian structure.. thats a very general statement..

L-Train said:
and for those who say "im glad to live in a free country", well then your glad to support the christian laws abound through the bible.
except for that one part where its says slavery is ok.. and where u can beat your slave and if he survives for more then a day then you wont be charged with murder. PFFF :dead:


L-Train said:
this is a nation under God and was established on protastant christianity It all comes down to what you want to put your faith into either you can put FAITH in NOTHING or you can put your FAITH into GOD so either way your putting faith in to something even if it is nothing.
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L-Train said:
You cant knock till you rock it and for those who knock the faith and yet say they are a good person well then how can you call your self good when you your self are going against all that is good.
see.. excellent example of a wrongful judgement.. JUST because someone doesnt believe in the god you do AUTOMATICALLY makes them "against good" THIS IS WHAT TURNED ME OFF TO CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. says thou shalt not cast the first stone yet christians and catholics cast stones all day and wont think twice about it. A good deed isnt something that the bible or a preacher tells you is good.. A good deed is something that you do that will benefit someone else and has no personal gain too yourself.. I can be a fuckin saint for all they care but if i dont believe in the doctrine then im destined for your hell?? PLZ

I was watching this televangelist on TV and he said "U CANT be a perfect christian. Nobody!! can be a perfect christian" and i thought too myself.. how lucky i am, too realize, be happy with, and be content with not having to live up to a standard that nobody can attain. lucky me. Merry Xmas yall :devious:
 
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thatguy said:
he is right though, the founding fathers were men of faith, so in a way this is really a nation under god
The founding fathers were Master Masons built on expanding the order of the brotherhood. Masons are above religion, you hold your brotherhood above your belief. One of the main orders in Masonry is to believe in a higher power, but nowhere does it insist that higher power be the Christian God.

The Masons claimed America because the Catholics had a firm grasp on European property.
 
Aug 20, 2004
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Fridge said:
The founding fathers were Master Masons built on expanding the order of the brotherhood. Masons are above religion, you hold your brotherhood above your belief. One of the main orders in Masonry is to believe in a higher power, but nowhere does it insist that higher power be the Christian God.

The Masons claimed America because the Catholics had a firm grasp on European property.
And the Masons has spilled onto the US from our European ancestors...
 
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Fridge said:
The founding fathers were Master Masons built on expanding the order of the brotherhood. Masons are above religion, you hold your brotherhood above your belief. One of the main orders in Masonry is to believe in a higher power, but nowhere does it insist that higher power be the Christian God.

The Masons claimed America because the Catholics had a firm grasp on European property.
i never said which god
 

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Some Random Asshole
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I'll just make this quick. Knowing right and wrong and good and bad has NOTHING to do with God. If believing in God makes you a better person, go for it, cause there's way to many assholes out there that don't know how to be nice to people for the sake of just being a nice person. But to say that you can't know good or bad without knowingn god is really ignorant. Maybe some people can't, which is pretty sad because if these people used their brains and actually did some constructive thinking they would realize that the in our world God doesn't play much of a factor. When MOST people make decisions they don't say, "would God do this?" FUCK NO. They just do it. Even if they believe in God and go to church. Now I know people aren't perfect, but then all these people that thump the bible need to get off mutha fuckas backs about being "good people" cause some of you fucking Christians are worse than fuckin Hitler in the sense that you think everyone should believe what you believe and do what YOU say cause of what some stupid fucking book says...Oh and for the people that have read the bible....Did you read it in it's original langauge or did you wait until a bunch of white mother fuckers translated it to english so they could tell you what they want you to believe?

And I'm not knockin people for their beliefs, if believing in God makes you a better person go for it. But expected everyone to be the same as you is fucking ridiculous.
 
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Sixxness said:
Knowing right and wrong and good and bad has NOTHING to do with God.
Not really. In ancient times it was God fearing countries that established what was good and bad in a general sense. But it's really pointless in havin discussions about God to Atheists. They can only believe in shit that they hear, smell, taste, see, and physically touch. We look at things on a more deeper scale than that. Untill Atheists get past there 5 senses, they can never believe what we believe.
all these people that thump the bible need to get off mutha fuckas backs about being "good people" cause some of you fucking Christians are worse than fuckin Hitler in the sense that you think everyone should believe what you believe
The reason Christians try to convert people isn't just to make everybody into zombies that do everything we do. In Christianity we are taught to try to spread the gospel to as many people as we can because we should be concerned with other people's souls. The only way to everlasting life is thru Christ and if we see somebody who is livina life destined to Hell, we're suppose to try to help them instead of just lettin them believe what they believe so we don't ruffle their feathers.
 
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D-Skrilla said:
Not really. In ancient times it was God fearing countries that established what was good and bad in a general sense. But it's really pointless in havin discussions about God to Atheists. They can only believe in shit that they hear, smell, taste, see, and physically touch. We look at things on a more deeper scale than that. Untill Atheists get past there 5 senses, they can never believe what we believe.
OK well you know what?This aint ancient times buddy...i do what i THINK is right...and trust that GOD or any other higher power..has NO decision in that...

The reason Christians try to convert people isn't just to make everybody into zombies that do everything we do. In Christianity we are taught to try to spread the gospel to as many people as we can because we should be concerned with other people's souls. The only way to everlasting life is thru Christ and if we see somebody who is livina life destined to Hell, we're suppose to try to help them instead of just lettin them believe what they believe so we don't ruffle their feathers.
Why are Christians so concerned with what other people think?Let others do what they do...thats the fuckin problem..with America...and Christianity...they feel as if THEY are right...and others are FUCKED IN THE HEAD if they dont see eye to eye with them....

Sounds like alot of you Christians ARE brainwashed...im glad im a free thinker....good luck with that...
 

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D-Skrilla said:
Not really. In ancient times it was God fearing countries that established what was good and bad in a general sense. But it's really pointless in havin discussions about God to Atheists. They can only believe in shit that they hear, smell, taste, see, and physically touch. We look at things on a more deeper scale than that. Untill Atheists get past there 5 senses, they can never believe what we believe.

The reason Christians try to convert people isn't just to make everybody into zombies that do everything we do. In Christianity we are taught to try to spread the gospel to as many people as we can because we should be concerned with other people's souls. The only way to everlasting life is thru Christ and if we see somebody who is livina life destined to Hell, we're suppose to try to help them instead of just lettin them believe what they believe so we don't ruffle their feathers.

Since I'm sure you were around to witness what countries did that...And don't tell me what I am, I wouldn't exactly classify myself as Atheist. I don't classify myself as anything anymore.

And for your second paragraph, you can believe whatever you want. Do you really think that a massive religion like that would straight up tell you that you need to get as many followers for whatever sideways ass reason? FUCK no. They make it sound all fuckin sugar coated and peachy. Those of us that aren't dillusional (in that sense) are much better off. And I have a question....How can YOU or anyone else but your "god" judge someone's life and whether they are going to hell or not? Personal opinion? I think not. I'm not saying that certain principles aren't right, I just disagree with the whole God is there for you and Jesus died for everyone and yada yada yada.
 
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gringo starr you hit it on the nail, fuck all stupid ass religions,...its a fukin crutch for all people. believing they livin for god or jesus, and everything for them , all science tells you its a bunch of crock and everyone knows it, sad you gotta fall back on something insttead of doing it for youself or for the better at that..enough said