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Dropped the most releases and sells the most units are two different things entirely homie. Remember, hype doesn't always translate into sales. Also, the NW isn't just Seattle.
As far as having the most releases, I would guess Jus Family Records leads that category. Selling the most units as a label or on a single release, again probably Jus Family Records. Those are just guesses though.
A lotta cats exaggerate or straight up lie about their numbers. I don't know if it's because of embarassment, failed to show & prove after talking too much shit, or maybe just denial about the state of their "career". Mutha fuckas are quick to tell you anything but the truth. And that by no means is just NW artists but artists (especially rappers) in general, everywhere.
Seems like a lot of NW artists come here so maybe some of them will keep it humble & honest and post their real numbers. Regardless of the numbers, congratulations to any artist who has been able to create a fanbase, however big or small, that actually extends beyond their potnas and potnas cousins.
As far as having the most releases, I would guess Jus Family Records leads that category. Selling the most units as a label or on a single release, again probably Jus Family Records. Those are just guesses though.
A lotta cats exaggerate or straight up lie about their numbers. I don't know if it's because of embarassment, failed to show & prove after talking too much shit, or maybe just denial about the state of their "career". Mutha fuckas are quick to tell you anything but the truth. And that by no means is just NW artists but artists (especially rappers) in general, everywhere.
Seems like a lot of NW artists come here so maybe some of them will keep it humble & honest and post their real numbers. Regardless of the numbers, congratulations to any artist who has been able to create a fanbase, however big or small, that actually extends beyond their potnas and potnas cousins.
Dude didn't ask about Seattle, he asked about the NW.
Mixalot definately leads for most sales on a single release and career total. And right behind him is probably Kid Sensation. And right behind him is probably E-Dawg or Cool Nutz. Those are all pretty obvious. I assumed he was asking mainly about more underground artists or people who have never had mainstream exposure.
Having released 11 albums doesn't mean shit unless you are getting sales on all that work. I don't know SLR's numbers or total but D-Sane should if he wishes to share that information. I think he's posted some of it a while back.
Don't be suprised if the numbers arn't what you think. Fans always guess the numbers to be way higher than they actually are because they're fans and want to believe the artist is doing well, and they tend to believe the hype.
And of course, you've got the person who said that soundscan doesn't report what people sell in mom&pop stores or out the trunk. That's true but it's basically a pointless argument because nobody is selling any respectable amount of units in mom&pop stores or out the trunk. Especially in the NW and sorry if it hurts to hear that.
Mixalot definately leads for most sales on a single release and career total. And right behind him is probably Kid Sensation. And right behind him is probably E-Dawg or Cool Nutz. Those are all pretty obvious. I assumed he was asking mainly about more underground artists or people who have never had mainstream exposure.
Having released 11 albums doesn't mean shit unless you are getting sales on all that work. I don't know SLR's numbers or total but D-Sane should if he wishes to share that information. I think he's posted some of it a while back.
Don't be suprised if the numbers arn't what you think. Fans always guess the numbers to be way higher than they actually are because they're fans and want to believe the artist is doing well, and they tend to believe the hype.
And of course, you've got the person who said that soundscan doesn't report what people sell in mom&pop stores or out the trunk. That's true but it's basically a pointless argument because nobody is selling any respectable amount of units in mom&pop stores or out the trunk. Especially in the NW and sorry if it hurts to hear that.
I'm a fan of the music before I'm anything else.... and I hear what youre sayin' but dont assume we all fall in the 'ignorance is bliss' category. If theres an artist or group out there thats dope, who cares if theyve sold 15 units or 15,000 units- support the shit and keep it pushin' is my take on it..
This subject pops up in a thread every other month and turns into the fans arguing over who 'should' be getting more support because 'they' are the ones out there makin' moves.... when in all reality, there are several hard working and talented artists in the NW- but its overall-in-general lack of promotion and support that keeps the numbers as low as they are.
Its not a pointless argument about what Soundscan does and doesnt report.. its just the truth.. but someone up in here did say that Soundscan numbers are imperative and that is nothin' BUT truth when it comes to gettin' recognition on a major level.
I have a question though Sick Wid It-- are you an artist..? ..and theres no disrespect here- I'm simply trying to see where your perspective generates from.
And what do you consider respectable numbers- in regards to sales..?
I know one artist for example who originally pressed up 1000 copies of his debut album and had consigned maybe 200 of them but sold the rest hand to hand in the streets, shows, etc. within a 6 month period of time... he re-pressed his album 2 months before sending his second album to press and 90 days into his second album sales he had sold thru his re-release (minus those that were given away or whatever) and got off real close to 500 of the 1000 he pressed up of his second album... my question is- is that not respectable? even though he hasnt soundscanned SHIT and hasnt sold 10,000 units? ..the man has my respect...
On a side note**
What I DONT respect is someone who simply attaches their name and/or logo to another man's album to simply make it 'appear' as if he's doing big things and make it 'appear' as if he has an actual resume or is some sort of factor in this region.. when in all reality he's trying to portray himself as something he's not. THATS weak..
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I didn't mean to imply that ignorance is bliss, just simply that most fans don't have a realistic perspective in regards to an artists state of business and level of success.
While people like you, myself and other fans of music may not necessarily care how many units an artist has sold, investors and business in general does. And since that's what facilitates opportunity, it can't be ignored.
My take on artist support is nothing is owed. Artists who have earned support, receive it. Just because somebody is able to slap an album together doesn't mean I'm obligated to buy it, like it, or even give it a listen. Supporting an artist is a choice, not a requirement and if an artist hasn't motivated people to support him, he hasn't done his job well enough. Artists (and fans for that matter) love and are quick to make excuses about why they're not doing well or what they think they should be doing. At the end of the day though all the excuses don't amount to shit and the only thing that matters is where that artist stands, realistically. I'm not a fan of blaming other people for poor results. I agree that there's an overall lack of support but it's crazy to point the finger at the fans and blame them. If you haven't convinced people to go to the store and spend money on you, it's certainly not their fault! Along with a lack of support by fans, I see an undeniable lack of responsibility from artists and labels. All these guys think their music is the hottest shit out and if you disagree, you're a "hater" and whatever other stupid shit they usually say. That's beyond laughable.
The soundscan argument is pointless because the truth is it doesn't matter how many units you sell out of the trunk if you can't prove it. Remember, we're talking about real business here so a persons word doesn't cut it. The truth, again, is YES out the trunk and mom&pop sales are NOT reflected by soundscan numbers but those numbers are meaningless in the real world music business so do they have any true relevance? No, unless you've invested into the project and are expecting something in return.
My perspective comes from years and years of being in the business as a successful musician, producer, songwriter, engineer and businessman. At this point most of my time is spent in the role of producer and executive. I've never been an artist but I work with them from complete unknowns all the way up to household names (in some cases, brand names). I'm somebody who actually eats off it to the point where music has paid for my house, my cars, my investiments, my lifestyle and feeds my family. I definately have a different perspective on things but I started out as and will die a fan with a true love for music.
Respectable numbers in my opinion is a number that creates significant interest and opportunity. While selling a thousand units might be commendable (especially if you had to bust your ass to do it), it's nothing to brag about to an investor for example. "Respectable numbers" is a matter of opinion so there is no right or wrong answer... Just people who agree or disagree with each others views. It is all about perspective.
About those people who attach their name to other peoples work and all that, I agree. That shit is weak but in the end those people almost never achieve any real success. I'm a firm believer that people get what they deserve and bad karma is never a reward.
I didn't mean to imply that ignorance is bliss, just simply that most fans don't have a realistic perspective in regards to an artists state of business and level of success.
While people like you, myself and other fans of music may not necessarily care how many units an artist has sold, investors and business in general does. And since that's what facilitates opportunity, it can't be ignored.
My take on artist support is nothing is owed. Artists who have earned support, receive it. Just because somebody is able to slap an album together doesn't mean I'm obligated to buy it, like it, or even give it a listen. Supporting an artist is a choice, not a requirement and if an artist hasn't motivated people to support him, he hasn't done his job well enough. Artists (and fans for that matter) love and are quick to make excuses about why they're not doing well or what they think they should be doing. At the end of the day though all the excuses don't amount to shit and the only thing that matters is where that artist stands, realistically. I'm not a fan of blaming other people for poor results. I agree that there's an overall lack of support but it's crazy to point the finger at the fans and blame them. If you haven't convinced people to go to the store and spend money on you, it's certainly not their fault! Along with a lack of support by fans, I see an undeniable lack of responsibility from artists and labels. All these guys think their music is the hottest shit out and if you disagree, you're a "hater" and whatever other stupid shit they usually say. That's beyond laughable.
The soundscan argument is pointless because the truth is it doesn't matter how many units you sell out of the trunk if you can't prove it. Remember, we're talking about real business here so a persons word doesn't cut it. The truth, again, is YES out the trunk and mom&pop sales are NOT reflected by soundscan numbers but those numbers are meaningless in the real world music business so do they have any true relevance? No, unless you've invested into the project and are expecting something in return.
My perspective comes from years and years of being in the business as a successful musician, producer, songwriter, engineer and businessman. At this point most of my time is spent in the role of producer and executive. I've never been an artist but I work with them from complete unknowns all the way up to household names (in some cases, brand names). I'm somebody who actually eats off it to the point where music has paid for my house, my cars, my investiments, my lifestyle and feeds my family. I definately have a different perspective on things but I started out as and will die a fan with a true love for music.
Respectable numbers in my opinion is a number that creates significant interest and opportunity. While selling a thousand units might be commendable (especially if you had to bust your ass to do it), it's nothing to brag about to an investor for example. "Respectable numbers" is a matter of opinion so there is no right or wrong answer... Just people who agree or disagree with each others views. It is all about perspective.
About those people who attach their name to other peoples work and all that, I agree. That shit is weak but in the end those people almost never achieve any real success. I'm a firm believer that people get what they deserve and bad karma is never a reward.
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