Was Lilith Adam's first wife??? before eve?

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Something Interesting about Lilith.

Lilith as Adam's first wife

A medieval reference to Lilith as the first wife of Adam is the anonymous The Alphabet of Ben-Sira, written sometime between the 8th and 11th centuries. Lilith is described as refusing to assume a subservient role to Adam during sexual intercourse and so deserting him ("She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.'"). Lilith promptly uttered the name of God, took to the air, and left the Garden, settling on the Red Sea coast. In this act, Lilith becomes unique in that she is not touched by Original Sin, having left the garden before Eve came into existence. Lilith also reveals herself to be powerful in her own right by knowing the name of God.

Lilith then went on to mate with Samael and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin. Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels. She did not return to Adam.

The background and purpose of The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is unclear. It is a collection of stories about heroes of the Bible and Talmud, it may have been a collection of folk-tales, a refutation of Christian, Karaite, or other separatist movements; its content seems so offensive to contemporary Jews that it was even suggested that it could be an anti-Jewish satire [10], although, in any case, the text was accepted by the Jewish mystics of medieval Germany.

The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is the earliest surviving source of the story, and the conception that Lilith was Adam's first wife became only widely known with the 17th century Lexicon Talmudicum of Johannes Buxtorf.

In the late 19th century, the Scottish Christian author George MacDonald incorporated the story of Lilith as Adam's first wife and predator of Eve's children into a mythopoeic fantasy novel in the Romantic style.

Lilith also appears as the ancestor of Jadis, the White Witch, in C.S. Lewis's "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe", the first of the Chronicles of Narnia.

full article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

This is pretty interesting since Lilith is mentioned in the bible and many other spiritual texts... Why was her story taken out of Genesis?
 
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This is a good example of why we need more biblically influenced/themed films.

Imagine the scene of three angels decending upon a village swarming with demonds to speak with the woman at the center of it all. That'd be pretty cool I think.
 
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Nope, Jewish Mysticism or Talmudic/Kabbalic Views. Many reform and Orthodox Jews believe this, and there are orthodox Jews that reject the dogma.
 
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Man, I totally found my knew pick up line:

"I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one."


Imma get so many bitches! thanks for the hookup Mi$ta-Murda187!!!
 

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Read the bible? Why do that when you can go to Church and have some stupid asshole tell you what to believe? It's so much easier than learning for yourself!! :confused:
 
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Man, I totally found my knew pick up line:

"I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one."


Imma get so many bitches! thanks for the hookup Mi$ta-Murda187!!!
LMAO lol.. i can imagine someone doing this....
Let me know how it goes lol...
 
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Nope, Jewish Mysticism or Talmudic/Kabbalic Views. Many reform and Orthodox Jews believe this, and there are orthodox Jews that reject the dogma.
Oh so it's some of the Jews who believe in the story of Lilith. Thanks for the info. But it talks about her in the bible... I guess when they talk about her in the bible she is just a demon. In the book of Isiah.
 
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Why does Lilith have blond hair and white skin in that picture on wikipedia? Thought blond hair was a rare (almost exclusively) Nordic trait.. I didn't know the Garden of Eden was in North/West Europe.. Or Lilith must of thought of Adam to be inferior because he was black?
 
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Read the bible? Why do that when you can go to Church and have some stupid asshole tell you what to believe? It's so much easier than learning for yourself!! :confused:
im saying....why come here on the siccness and ask a question that can be answered by reading the bible..

I dont believe in the bible..
so...you know what im getting at..

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I wanted to see different view points...

Because Lilith is mentioned in the Book of Isiah by another name.
I know she's not in Genesis. I just think it's strange how she's mentioned in the bible and many other spiritual books... it makes me think...

And it could also prove the things I have heard about the leaders of the church removing books from the bible.

And since she's talked about in the bible and other texts it makes me believe she is a real spirit or demon...
 
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Mi$ta-Murda187 said:
Oh so it's some of the Jews who believe in the story of Lilith. Thanks for the info. But it talks about her in the bible... I guess when they talk about her in the bible she is just a demon. In the book of Isiah.
WHAT?! Give me the chapter and Verse?!
 

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mista murder...if she's in so many books, what's that say about how religion is SO MUCH BULLSHIT? If all these people are saying "believe us we're right" but all the books say the same shit pretty much....

wtf? lol....anyone see the irony in this besides me?
 
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I AM said:
mista murder...if she's in so many books, what's that say about how religion is SO MUCH BULLSHIT? If all these people are saying "believe us we're right" but all the books say the same shit pretty much....

wtf? lol....anyone see the irony in this besides me?
Well yeah I have thought of that

Stockton... In the article it talks about Lilith as as evil demon in the desert...
she's known as the screeching owl.. in other books..
so in Isiah it calls her that...

Here's the info stockton..
it's the in article also

Isiah: 34:14, describing the desolation of Edom, is the only occurrence of Lilith in the Hebrew Bible:

Hebrew (ISO 259): pagšu ṣiyyim et-ʾiyyim w-saʿir ʿal-rēʿhu yiqra ʾakšam hirgiʿah lilit u-maṣʾah lah manoḫ
morpho-syntactic analysis: "yelpers meet-[perfect] howlers; hairy-ones cry-[imperfect] to fellow. liyliyth reposes-[perfect], acquires-[perfect] resting-place."
KJV: "The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest."

Schrader (Jahrbuch für Protestantische Theologie, 1. 128) and Levy (ZDMG 9. 470, 484) suggest that Lilith was a goddess of the night, known also by the Jewish exiles in Babylon. Evidence for Lilith being a goddess rather than a demon is lacking. Isaiah dates to the 6th century BC, and the presence of Jews in Babylon would coincide with the attested references to the Līlītu in Babylonian demonology.

The Septuagint translates onokentauros, apparently for lack of a better word, since also the saʿir "satyrs" earlier in the verse are translated with daimon onokentauros. The "wild beasts of the island and the desert" are omitted altogether, and the "crying to his fellow" is also done by the daimon onokentauros.

Hieronymus of Cardia translated Lilith with lamia, in Horace (De Arte Poetica liber, 340) a witch who steals children, similar to the Breton Korrigan, in Greek mythology described as a Libyan queen who mated with Zeus. After Zeus abandoned Lamia, Hera stole Lamia's children, and Lamia took revenge by stealing other women's children.

The screech owl translation of the KJV is without precedent, and apparently together with the "owl" (yanšup, probably a water bird) in 34:11, and the "great owl" (qippoz, properly a snake,) of 34:15 an attempt to render the eerie atmosphere of the passage by choosing suitable animals for difficult to translate Hebrew words. It should be noted that this particular species of owl is associated with the vampiric Strix of Roman legend.

Later translations include:

* night-owl (Young, 1898)
* night monster (ASV 1901, NASB 1995)
* night hag (RSV 1947)
* night creature (NIV 1978, NKJV 1982, NLT 1996)
* nightjar (New World Translation, 1984)
* vampires (Moffatt Translation, 1922)
 
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c. The Hebrew word for night creature is lilith, which is the feminine form of the word “night.” Old Jewish superstitions make Lilith a beautiful demon of the night, who seduced men and killed children. It is possible that Isaiah uses the term to describe the demonic habitation of Edom after God’s judgment.-Courtesy of This

I'm not a Google Scholar, but this is something I had to look at. Hope this helps your understanding.
 

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nah, i'm sayin it can't be proven to be true or false cause it supposedly happened way long ago...so unless we can travel back in time to that situation, if it happened in the first place, we will never know.