The Dumb Ass Pope

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Muslim anger grows over pope’s remarks
Pakistan parliament condemns what it calls ‘derogatory’ words about Islam

Updated: 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan’s parliament unanimously condemned Pope Benedict XVI on Friday for making what it called “derogatory” comments about Islam and demanded he apologize.

The Vatican has said Pope Benedict did not mean to offend Muslims with remarks he made in Germany this week about Muhammad and holy war.

In a speech, Benedict quoted a 14th-century Byzantine emperor as saying, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”


Muslim protestors demonstrate against Pope Benedict XVI in the Indian Kashmiri city of Srinagar on Friday.

“It certainly wasn’t the intention of the pope to carry out a deep examination of jihad (holy war) and on Muslim thought on it, much less to offend the sensibility of Muslim believers,” said Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi.

Outrage in Muslim world (<---I find headings like this a problem)
Muslim clerics, organizations and Web sites have expressed outrage at the pope’s remarks.

Turkey’s top Islamic cleric asked Benedict to apologize and unleashed a string of accusations against Christianity, raising tensions before the pope’s planned visit to Turkey in November on what would be his first papal pilgrimage to a Muslim country.

Religious Affairs Directorate head Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who sets the religious agenda for Turkey, said he was deeply offended by remarks about Islamic holy war made Tuesday during the pilgrimage to the pontiff’s homeland, calling them “extraordinarily worrying, saddening and unfortunate.”

Bardakoglu said that “if the pope was reflecting the spite, hatred and enmity” of others in the Christian world, then the situation was even worse.
Pope quotes 14th century emperor
The pope, at Regensburg University, made a reference to jihad during an address about faith and reason, and how they cannot be separated and are essential for “that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today.”

Citing historic Christian commentary on holy war and forced conversion, the pontiff quoted from a 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologos.

“The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,” the pope said. “He said, I quote, ‘Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”’

Clearly aware of the sensitivity of the issue, Benedict added, “I quote,” twice before pronouncing the phrases on Islam and described them as “brusque,” while neither explicitly agreeing with nor repudiating them.

“The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable,” Benedict said.

“Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul,” the pope said, issuing an open invitation to dialogue among cultures.

Lombardi, who traveled with the pope, said he was not giving an interpretation of Islam as “something violent.”

In Egypt, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, the leader of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, also called for an apology.

“The remarks do not express correct understanding of Islam and are merely wrong and distorted beliefs being repeated in the West,” Akef said.


Pope Benedict XVI blesses the faithful as he arrives at the Regensburg Cathedral in southern Germany on Tuesday.

The 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference, based in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia said it regretted “the pope’s quote and for the other falsifications.” It expressed hopes that “this sudden campaign does not reflect a new trend for the Vatican policy toward the Islamic religion.”

Militant Islamic Web sites also unleashed a scathing campaign against the pope.

‘An attitude of respect and dialogue’
Lombardi insisted that the pontiff respects Islam.

Benedict wants to “cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue toward the other religions and cultures, obviously also toward Islam,” Lombardi said in a statement released by the Vatican.

Benedict, who has made the fight against growing secularism in Western society a theme of his pontificate, is expected to visit Turkey in late November. He was invited by the staunchly secularist Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, who said the invitation was part of an effort to strengthen dialogue between religions.

Although officially secular Turkey is 99 percent Muslim, the main purpose of the pope’s pilgrimage there is to meet with the spiritual leader of the world’s 200 million Orthodox Christians, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, whose headquarters, for historical reasons, are in Istanbul.

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way to go POPE!

lets go to war for God...


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Aug 15, 2003
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i hope many will forgive this man, those are very harsh words and can cause a decree. you all should pray for this man, for we all don't make all the right decisions. God is just and men are not. evil and inhuman can be found in all religions even the one he represents, so he did not judge right. but all together there just words, and i've been called worse things in my life. open a compassionate heart for both sides.
 
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Something about this new pope freaks me out, just look at his eyes...

you don't see a kind man, like the last pope....

you see darkness....





at least i do anyway....
yea i feel u, somethin aint right.............
 
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^^they already are, they just changed the title from the "war on islam" to the "war on terror".
Yup the Southern State Christians, and those who are pro-war. That's what I don't get about some Pastors, who they are for Peace and Christ, yet agree on this war. I forgot who said this on a Forum, regardless of your religion or beliefs, you have to be pro-peace, but not Anti-War. I'm Pro-peace, but I think sometimes it's only necessary for war, if it's going to benefit those who are struggling. Nav, don't think all Christians are at war with Islam because George Bush claims he's a Christian. It's like us saying, all muslims are at war with us, Because Osama is their leader and he's a Muslim. George W. Bush does not speak on Behalf of all Christians!
 
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Nav, don't think all Christians are at war with Islam because George Bush claims he's a Christian. It's like us saying, all muslims are at war with us, Because Osama is their leader and he's a Muslim. George W. Bush does not speak on Behalf of all Christians!
don't worry, i understand that the administration simply hides under the flag of christianity to get as many dumb citizens who do the same to back them up in their actions. but even if they aren't really true christians, and don't do what they do in the name of christianity, they forget that most muslims will without a doubt see it that way.
 
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the reason why is because if it were really a "war on terror", their attack would be more widespread, to include north korea and other countries that pose the same if not more immediate threat than the ones' they have attacked.

the fact that their focus has only been on muslim countries, none of which have done anything directly against the united states (if you remember, they started out attacking afghanistan, even though osama bin ladin is not afghan, then continued against iraq for "having weapons of mass destruction" which was proved to be a false assumption).

if this is not a war on islam, why have all targets been islamic countries? if it is a war on the middle east, why isn't israel, who commits the most acts of terrorism in the area, left unharmed and supported by the american government, supported to help fight muslims.
 
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why isn't israel,who commits the most acts of terrorism in the area
Like you said, it's what the People Perceive and Observe. Many of the Extremists are killing your own people am I right? So you can't blame the People for having such a Screwed up view. But also, I don't see Israel, making war against all Infidels, like these Extremists Do, but that Doesn't mean, I'm not open to see what Wrong Israel has done.
 

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The Pope forfeits his dhimmitude

Islam has a problem on its hands.

While it may be true that less than 1% of the world's Muslims actually take up arms against "infidels" (for a religion with 1.5 billion followers, that's an army approaching 15 million), the holy men of Islam have remained largely silent with regard to the violence perpetrated by these warriors of Allah.

The result? It seems more and more likely that the average Muslim, though he probably would never attack or kill his non-Muslim neighbors, watches the killings, riots, and bombings conducted by his more radical brethren and thinks to himself, I would never do this ... but perhaps these men might have a point. Maybe my faith is just not strong enough.

And inevitably, the army of Allah's holy warriors grows.

The remarks made this week by Pope Benedict XVI have officially hit the "Muslim street," which as usual is swarming with bearded men heaving rifles in the air, setting fires, and demanding blood.

At this point it seems doubtful that most of the rioters have even the slightest clue what the Pope actually said.

Writing in the London-based Arabic language paper al-Sharq al-Awsat, Hussein Shabakshy says:

&#8220;It is clear that such remarks only contribute to the fueling of the fire raging between Islam and the West. There is no difference between Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri speaking from their caves in Tora Bora and the stage of an important Christian saint. Both parties contribute to the world verbal weapons for mass destruction.&#8221;

&#8220;The pope&#8217;s latest statement cannot be considered a slip of the tongue or a comic bit from a TV show; the situatio0n here is different, and his remarks are indicative of an important and highly symbolic stance toward the religion (Islam) and the prophet of about a billion and-a-half Muslims,&#8221; he said.

&#8220;These are ignorant comments previously made by Adolf Hitler, who spoke of a supreme white race against all the other races, especially the African race." (emphasis added)

Did Pope Benedict XVI speak of white supremacy? No. He delivered a lengthy scholarly address discussing the influence of Greek thought on the Christian concept of rationality and reason as distinct fundamental traits of the Christian God. As a contrast, he explained that the noted Andalusian philosopher Ibn Hazm described the Muslim Allah as a transcendent supreme being who is "not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry."

He further contrasted Christianity and Islam by explaining that the rational nature of Christianity eliminates the necessity to use violence or force when asking people to accept Christ's gospel. Benedict XVI quoted another historical figure, the 14th century Byzantine emperor Manual II Paleologus, who remarked, "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Pope Benedict XVI quoted the emperor at length again:

"God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death..."

This must be a difficult pill for Muslims to swallow, for the past few days have been filled with violent cries for revenge; yet again Muslim leaders have failed to deliver any systematically reasoned response to the Pope's actual arguments, instead preferring to let angry mobs answer for them.

In a stunning living testimony to the words of a centuries-dead Byzantine emperor, the millions who make up the holy armies of the "Religion of Peace" will march yet again; men pitifully left to their own devices -- murder and subjugation -- by a transcendent Allah who remains largely unknown to them, for their rigorous faith condemns any attempt to question Him.

Islam indeed has a problem.Let's hope that Christians and the Pope are not forced to pay for this problem with their lives.


^ is there going to be a war between religions?