The Degrading of Music With Time

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Psilo707

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I was thinkin' about something recently.


The majority of people who have been following, and in, the rap game for the past decade agree that the bay area music of today is not quite as good as it was back in the day - ie. 1990-1995 or so. The top notch artists that have been representing the bay for years are seeming to come with music that isn't as good as their early releases. Some examples are E-40 (Federal and In A Major Way to Grit And Grind), Mac Dre (YBB to Thizzelle), Andre Nickatina (Dre Dog [jim jones and i hate you] in general, to his current stuff), etc. Although I myself still love these specific artists music's along with tons of other rappers from the bay, most people still DO agree that the stuff being put out isn't as bangin' as it was a few years ago.


But I was thinking, maybe part of the idea that the new stuff from the old veterans isn't as good (Too Short just came to mind) is partially psychological in the fans' heads. Get this:


What if the release dates of Grit and Grind, and, Federal, were switched around? If Grit and Grind was released in 1993, would IT be the classic CD - and the ULTRA-NEW E-40, "Federal", couldn't touch that old classic?


If Mac Dre released Young Black Brotha and Stupid Doo Doo Dumb this year & 2003 - would it be as good as that "old classic" we all know as "It's Not What You Say..."?


I'm saying, if every artists CD's were switched around timeline wise, would the new stuff REALLY be the classics? Or would we think the older ones are better?


Having a hard time trying to explain exactly what I mean but i'm sure you all can figure out what im trying to say.

Is the old stuff better because thats what we grew up on - and we are expecting the exact same style we have been listening to for years?


I think situations like these are why some parents and the older generations stick with their oldies, their music that was made in the 60's and 70's when they were growing up. The new stuff is "so different" that they cant conform to the new society of music.


What do you all think?
 
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Nope the old shit was better.

The only thing I have gotten lately that I would consider to be tight like the old days would be:

The Unexpected-U didn't know

Full Clip-2nd chamber (this definately has that old mid 90's sound to it, and its a double CD)

Gangsta Reese-Full metal jacket

Other than that not to much other ish.
 
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#3
I see what your sayin. I think most of it has to do with what you are brought up hearing, or what really gets you into the bay shit.
For example, a good number of cats that I know who have started listening to bay area rap more recently (2000 or so) think the Yukmouth, San Quinn, Mac Mall, Fully Loaded, a lot of people are putting out hard ass shit...they got their favorite oldies and respect them but knock the newbies more...
whereas the OG's who been listening since like 94 tend to like 11/5, Cougnut, Dre Dog (not Nickatina) etc.

Personally I think the material today is just as good, its just theres so much more of it to search through. I think Fully Loaded and the Mob Figaz are just as good as 11/5 was and IMP, I think Quinn is better now, I think Mac Mall is about the same, I think Yuk's newest material matches Operation Stackola easily, I think there's plenty of up and coming talent as well (namely the Riddla, Willie Henn, Shag Nasty, Cozmo, etc).
 
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youre trippin grind and grind is definately got a an original feel to it and so is the new nickatina

but its true many artists arent puttin in the work and thought into their lyrics anymore and the shit is cliched by now with nothing fresh coming out on 95% of the albums coming out

i was listening to stupid doo doo dumb yesturday and im listening to city slickers and the lyrics and beats dont have the same feel to them
 

Psilo707

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Camoflauge Im not tripping. I think Grit and Grind is an A- to B+ cd. Where did I say it wasnt good? E-40 has never released a cd that hasnt been quality. BUT IT CANT TOUCH IN A MAJOR WAY.

And Nickatina, man, hes one of my favorite artists, where did I say he wasnt coming hard now? BUT HE CANT TOUCH "I HATE YOU" !
 
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i totally see what u are sayin ... i think in some cases this is true but then there also are some artists that were just on fire on their first few cd's cuz they were tryin to come up and then they got lazy eventually...
 
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My opinion on this subject is that the early bay rap was tighter to me than some of the music on the shelves today. Every time I bump an old cut it brings back memories of gettin twisted with my folks. Someone that didnt grow up on it might have a different opinion. I'm not sayin' new shit is week,but I think when some of these cats make an album they treat it as a product rather than music.
 
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there have been some good cds that have come out recently.

Grit and Grind
The Jacka
The New Pac
B-Legits new one

There have been a lot of weaker cds that have come out recently though. I think that there wasn't THAT many good cds that came out in 92, there wasnt too many in 93, 94, 95, 96, 97 all the way up to the present. people just tend to forget about the bad cds that came out during those times and think that music was better then. look at people who like those oldies like the temptations, they never liked any of the music of today because to them nothing can touch their oldies. i agree that there has been more releases, but the good cds that come out these days are still quality. you just have to look around and keep an open mind.