Some Good Points on Illegal Immigration

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This letter was sent to Tennessee Senator Bill Frist from a retired border patrol agent, and it has more common sense than all the bull being spewed from the Senate, with the exception of a few sensible representatives.


Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.

#1.
Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

#2.
There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

#3.
Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

#4.
Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

#5.
This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

#6.
The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

#7.
There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

#8.
Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

#9.
Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

#10.
There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

#11.
It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price? For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a recKONIng. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here? There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.


David J. Stoddard
U.S. Border Patrol (RET)
Hereford, Arizona
 

askG

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lol, atta way to group all immigrants together...what youre doing is called stereotyping my friend, how many immigrants you know of personally that you can lump into any of those categories, how many rich folks you think cheat on their taxes?plenty, how many white folks you think cheat on welfare and social services?, plenty, all the issues you addressing aint going to be solved by keeping immigrants out...
bush raising taxes sending jobs overseas and keeping your sheep eyes turned to some hot button issue will keep you thinking that shit though.
i dont expect anything less from some bill or rilley clone, retired border patroil, lol, that alone tells me plenty...

btw, its cosa nostra, not costra you idiot.
 

askG

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although i doub you really worked the border, if you retired it makes you what?senior citizen, who in the fuck comes on some rap message board with some fake ass mafia nickname older than 15?lol
 

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La Costra Nosta said:
#5.
This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

Legal in what manner? That there were no laws so killing 250 million Native Americans is justified? Americans think they are right about everything...This is just proof. Some chick at my school newspaper wrote an opinion piece about this shit, all I wanted to say to her was, "you stupid bitch, did you forget about the 250+ million Native Americans that the "legal settlers" killed to TAKE OVER THIS LAND?"

Use some fucking common sense. A lot of those people don't even live in apartments, or any "home" for that matter. By the way, the American Dream is a fucking myth, just some propaganda that you're fed to believe shit is okay.
 

askG

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lmao..^^^
so let me get this straight.

illegal immigrants come here to work and suck up this lands recoursces and benefits, theyre illegall, kay,

so if these illegals came in masses and started massacring all the white folks till they were pretty much extinct, then my ppl would be considered legal, not only that, then wed be accepted?sounds like a good deal.

the only thing seperating an illegal immigrant from a legal one is genocide, yup yup , makes sense in masters mind.
 

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askG said:
lmao..^^^
so let me get this straight.

illegal immigrants come here to work and suck up this lands recoursces and benefits, theyre illegall, kay,

so if these illegals came in masses and started massacring all the white folks till they were pretty much extinct, then my ppl would be considered legal, not only that, then wed be accepted?sounds like a good deal.

the only thing seperating an illegal immigrant from a legal one is genocide, yup yup , makes sense in masters mind.
Were you talkin to me? I didn't say anything about resources and shit....

But it is true, if you can kill of the people who populate an area, it's yours. It's been happening throughout the history of the world. Every land that was settled by someone and then taken over by someone else has been lost due to mass killings of the original settlers.
 

PGBD

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La Costra Nosta said:
This letter was sent to Tennessee Senator Bill Frist from a retired border patrol agent, and it has more common sense than all the bull being spewed from the Senate, with the exception of a few sensible representatives.


Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.

#1.
Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

#2.
There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

#3.
Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

#4.
Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

#5.
This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

#6.
The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

#7.
There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

#8.
Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

#9.
Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

#10.
There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

#11.
It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price? For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a recKONIng. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here? There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.


David J. Stoddard
U.S. Border Patrol (RET)
Hereford, Arizona
This fellow needs to run for office.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Great pionts. in the article and not many are realisticly/honestly refutable.

did you know if americans illegally entered mexico we would be treated as felons and extradited?

did you know foreigners are not allowed to own property in mexico?

do you think mexico would teach your children in english if you brought them there?

do you think mexico would provide social services for your entire family?

do you think the mexican government would print documents in english to make it easier for you.

bottem line is we are the most accepting nation in the world and all we ask is that people respect us and enter legally. Respect and reciprosity are clearly not evident in the argument.
 
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Immigrant workers are some of most hardworking people in this country, but they are paid the lowest wages and work the longest hours. Collectively, they pay more than $90 billion in taxes per year and only receive $5 billion in public welfare. The average immigrant will, over their lifetime, pay $80,000 more in taxes than they will collect in government services according to People For the American Way.
 
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you girls keep crying about illegal immigrants.aint shit gonna change just cause some stressed out honkys are mad that mexicans are taking over.Fuckin crackers always hiding behind the badge. "this is illegal, theyre breaking the law!"bitch, you think were worried about breaking the law. people just tryin survive.im laughin at every person whos mad at illegal immagrants because shit aint gonna stop.boss up bitches
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Immigrant workers are some of most hardworking people in this country, but they are paid the lowest wages and work the longest hours. Collectively, they pay more than $90 billion in taxes per year and only receive $5 billion in public welfare. The average immigrant will, over their lifetime, pay $80,000 more in taxes than they will collect in government services according to People For the American Way.

Seems like this discussion should be placed in the GOM forum...

Anyway, no doubt immigrant workers are the physically hardest working people (in terrible conditions, all labor) in this country. I don't know if you're comments are talking about illegal immigrants or immigrants in general. The issue is about illegals not legal immigrants, so I don't really understand what the tax information is all about. But I found some interesting data on legal immigrants.

According to the Central Immigrant Services organization:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html written in 2001, percentages should be higher during the past 5 years.