siccness folks opinion on lavelle hawkins (cal football fans)

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i know theres a couple cal fans here!!

do you think hawkins has the ability to make a differnece? fisher dont like playing rookings unless its a "NEED" situation or if he is just way to good to not be on the field.....

some cal fans ive talked to say lavelle could outshine the dude that outshined him at cal....
 
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a lot of people are saying so, fans that is.....fisher doesnt praise or even play young wideouts EVER (which i think its kinda dumb) but he is getting A LOT of praise outta
'dinger and fisher....

hopefully he can break out...i like our new o-cord he did GREAT with mac9 when he was here (co-mvp season and a superbowl run).....
 
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i sure fuckin hope chow was the problem.....but i think it was...i mean fisher loves his run-game but he never did it more lopsided percentage wise (run/pass %) untill chow came....

i think chow was just a great college football coach and had the chance to coach A LOT of HIGHLY talented players with almost un-even compatition.....


the offseason is bullshit....FUCK.....and then when football gets here it goes by so damn fast...
 
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first off, STOCKTON is definitly in the building. Edison High, you feel me.

Everybody knew that kid was going places. Guy was a stud in high school. I think he definitly overachieved in Cal, but thats not to say he wasnt talented. I think hes a little short for the pros, but what he lacks in heigh, he makes up for with the work he puts in. I cant see him having a stellar career in the pros, but I can see him doing enough to make a decent career for himself.

Congrats to the boy though. 209 love.
 
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our scouts think that his fast cuts in and out of routes is his best attribute...they said he could be a huge YAC player like wes welker........SHIT ID BE HAPPY with that.....even though we need a legit #1
 
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nah lol he got fired......that was a pretty big story.......everyone calling VY a "coach killer"


we got mike heimerdinger who is a HIGHLY underrated OC....he was with denver before we RE-SWOOPED him....he was our cord when we were in the bowl and when mac9 had his good ass seasons
 

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I like Heimerdinger, the year Erickson got fired from the niners, Heimer was a finalist for HC of the 49ers
i agree hes underrated, before Nolan was hired, i was pulling for Heimer lol
 
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damn i didnt know that.....i wonder how he would turn out as a HC?


id rather wait a while and see now lol.....i want vince to get to know a certain offense and not have to worry about learning play book after play book
 

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lol, ive always liked the titans (i still got my old ass eddie george and javon kearse and the red and blue alt Kearse jersey too)

But i just dont think VY will amount to anything special......
 
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i think dingers sytem is for him to tell you the truth...if he dont get it done (and i cant judge till he gets some real help around him)

but dinger got mac9 a co-mvp award.....he knows how to use the roll out of pocket qb.....mcnair/cutler

vy is a whole differnet type of weapon....and dinger is allready working on his foot placement with VY that he said VY has DOWN ALLREADY......
 

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lol VY is a poor mans Mac9.... a very very poor mans lol

McNair is 1 of my favorite QBs of all time

maybe thats why i have such dislike for VY, its almost the same with the niners QBs, its hard to top what you previously had, when it was so awesome
 
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- When Mike Heimerdinger first broke down Vince Young's game, the coach's primary concern was the quarterback's base.



Job No. 1 for the Tennessee Titans' new offensive coordinator was to help Young get his feet under him so he could play better. It's also an apt metaphor for the face of the franchise as Young searches for his balance heading into his third season.

Despite leading the Titans to the playoffs in 2007, Vince Young struggled statistically, throwing just nine touchdowns and 17 interceptions.
Whether he is leading a huddle, scrambling as he searches for an open receiver, hanging out in the locker room or back in Austin having a good time with friends, Young faces questions about his maturity.

"It's everyday life," Young recently told a group of reporters. "In everyday life you learn something. You're all older than me, you all still learn something every day and get more mature. That's the same thing with me. I'm continuing to get more mature every day, going through the general process of things going on in my life and just in general."

As Young led Tennessee's offense through an organized team activity session Tuesday morning, he was upbeat, bouncy, chatty. It's how he likes to see himself: as a kidder and fun-loving guy. He often reminds people that he's goofy, and it's clear his teammates enjoy the tone he tries to set.

He won huge respect for knocking defensive tackle Randy Starks off his feet with a booming shoulder after throwing an interception in a training camp practice his rookie year. Before his second camp, he placed a letter in his teammates' lockers thanking them for their roles in his Offensive Rookie of the Year season.

But big leadership moments such as those have been accompanied by some situations in which Young hasn't necessarily reacted as the team or its followers might have liked.

As a rookie, he pouted when coach Jeff Fisher ordered the team plane to leave him behind when he was late for a team flight to Philadelphia, as if his coach had crossed him instead of the other way around. Recently, Young suggested to a veteran reporter from NFL.com that he had considered retiring after his rookie year, then worked to spin the story differently after the negative reaction.

If everyone is looking for him to change and calm down, I don't know if that's going to happen," said Titans tight end Bo Scaife, who also played at Texas with Young and is one of his closest friends. "He understands he's a role model. He's a quarterback, and everybody is going to watch everything he does.

"So he definitely has to watch how he reacts and how he handles certain situations. But one thing about Vince is he isn't ever going to change, he's always going to be him."


To his credit, the quarterback who once told "60 Minutes" no one could tell him anything has shown two key newcomers -- Heimerdinger and Alge Crumpler, the veteran tight end brought in to serve as his safety valve -- he's plenty coachable.

Heimerdinger actually was surprised at how swiftly Young caught on to the themes of the footwork changes.



"I thought it would be kind of dramatic because you're asking a guy to change the way he's been throwing for a long time, at least with his feet," he said. "I didn't think he'd catch on as quickly. When we started doing the drills for it, there was such a big difference between Day 1 and Day 3 that I knew he was going back home, working on it and it was important to him."



His footwork wasn't the only thing he worked on. While completing course work toward his degree in Austin this spring, Young flew back to Nashville on Wednesday evenings and got a classroom session in that night before doing field work on Thursdays and Fridays.



Heimerdinger actually liked that Young was off on his own some of the time because it gave him a chance to gauge his quarterback's dedication and ability to follow through with plans.



Young showed Heimerdinger that he'd ponder things after those Wednesday evenings, because the coordinator would see improvement on Thursdays.



The quarterback also has become increasingly willing to admit his mistakes.



"When he does something wrong, he'll turn to me and say, 'I messed it up, my feet were wrong' or 'I made the wrong read' or 'That's on me,' and I don't know if he did that all the time before, I wasn't with him," said Heimerdinger, who was the Titans' coordinator from 2000 to 2004 before moving to the New York Jets and Denver Broncos.



He came back to replace his replacement, Norm Chow, who was fired after Young's apparent regression. "But that's maturity when a quarterback says, 'Hey, that's my fault, that wasn't somebody else's fault.' He's taking the hit for that, so I think we've made progress."

How will the footwork alterations change Young's game?

His accuracy should continue to improve after jumping from 51.5 to 62.3 percent from 2006 to 2007. Now, as Heimerdinger seeks more yards after the catch, he said he can't have pass targets diving or jumping to pull the ball in.


Just as importantly, the alterations should help set up Young to run more effectively when he decides the options produced by routes on a play don't warrant a throw.



Even in OTA practices in which it's hard to simulate a pass rush, Fisher has seen Young step up into the pocket rather than hanging back, as had become his habit.


"We do have team-oriented drills and the pocket does collapse, and what Vince is doing much more now is moving up in the pocket," Fisher said. "He's stepping up in the pocket with his eyes downfield and picking up receivers rather than keeping his depth in the pocket and scrambling with depth. He'll be able to make more plays not only as a passer but also as a runner as he moves forward."

With Young struggling and dealing with a quad injury for a share of the 2007 season, he threw only nine touchdown passes against 17 interceptions. Those numbers looked especially bad when compared to someone like Cleveland's Derek Anderson (29 TDs, 19 picks).



But it was Young's Titans, not Anderson's Browns, who seized the AFC's final playoff berth.



Feet now squarely beneath him, Young is expecting a third season with better numbers, another playoff appearance and quieter critics.


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a lot of people are rough on VY....i credit a lot of his ints to the wrs just not creating speration and it was ethier get the ball out or take the sack...he was limited with his calf....
 
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what high school did chris henry go to greg?

im not sure if they went to the same highschool or not but i think they both grew up in stockton
Chris Henry? The bengals WR?

Dont know about him, but Chrish Cash plays for the Falcons now, and he went to Edisons rival high school Franklin. (both HS are fucking HOOD as fuck).

Theres a few pro. athletes that made it from Stockton.