Seeming that Hip-Hop is dead
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^Pac was hardly a Hip Hop rapper so I think that is a false statement, if hip hop ever died it was the day gangster rap became popular. When did NWA blow up 1988-1989? I don't think hip hop is dead is just isn't the most popular thing out right now
This has been said before but i don't think hip hop is dead is has just changed alot but alot of the underlying principals about it are still alive in some form same goes to pretty much every kind of music out there. Rock doesn't sound anything like it did when it first started same goes for country or Rnb or whatever you can think of. Shit they even flip out old symphonies with electric guitars, synthesyzers and other shit that didn't exist when the thing was written to make something new out of it. things change
This has been said before but i don't think hip hop is dead is has just changed alot but alot of the underlying principals about it are still alive in some form same goes to pretty much every kind of music out there. Rock doesn't sound anything like it did when it first started same goes for country or Rnb or whatever you can think of. Shit they even flip out old symphonies with electric guitars, synthesyzers and other shit that didn't exist when the thing was written to make something new out of it. things change
Well allow me too backup why i feel hip-hop is dead.
1. THE MC = dead
As its been pointed out, this whole shit is Built around gimmicks... i remember back in the day niggas wouldnt care about the radio, they would just " do them" now it seems everyone is doing " radio-songs" for example everyone in the bay area does a Hyphy song or something along those lines... something with no Lyrical attachment. THE old bay rappers were spitters. the yuks, the dru downs, etc etc etc etc etc.....
Now lets talk about minstrel rap. allow me too quote allhiphop.com
" Minstrel Rap
If a song comes with a pre-packaged dance, check. If a song is about a food or food metaphor, check. If a song uses a nursery rhyme to support a piece of jewelry, check. If there are White people mocking you on YouTube with said song, check. Get the idea? "
THE DJ = DEAD
Mixtapes.... yes its clear that bootlegging has taken over the modems and its very much active. i remember back in 1991 maybe 92 and the mixtape scene was about DJs showing there craft and blazin new music from artists from his or her block..... Mixtapes are thrown together by individuals who think they are " rappers" or other individuals who feel they are " djs" because they have protools or more in importantly have access too new music coming out of regions. i can start too explain how the DJs are controlled by a higher power but we all know how radio works and we all know how clubnights are.
Grafth Artist = dead
I remember back in the day, Graffiti especially in new york was heavy and it seems that the whole artform of art on buildings and such is just not what it use too be. i just dont see graffiti as i did when hiphop was in fact poppin.
Break Dancing = dead
Finally. i remember when i was in 5th grade, niggas would wear helmets too school, not because they are riding the yellow bus. because they would break and it was poppin like that. I NEVER SEE ANYONE BREAKING. and seeming that the B-boy/BGyrl was a strong thing that brought hip-hop too what it was. hip-hop is in fact dead.
I recently heard DJ Kay Slay talking about how Jeezy and Ludacris have shirts talking about how hip-hop is alive and its in the south. something along those lines... now im not here too say the south doesnt produce good quality music because I for one is a huge killer mike fan along with outkast basically the whole dungeon family. HOWEVER alot of " gimmick rap" does come out of the south so i think MOST people are quick too say the south this and south that... Hip-hop as a culture is dead. none of above are poppin. and Until they do. its gonna be ugly. Coporate has taken over. and its kinda scary too think where Hip-Hop is headed. Theres no Buzz. No Originallity and no Tours.
This is my personal opinion.
Peace
1. THE MC = dead
As its been pointed out, this whole shit is Built around gimmicks... i remember back in the day niggas wouldnt care about the radio, they would just " do them" now it seems everyone is doing " radio-songs" for example everyone in the bay area does a Hyphy song or something along those lines... something with no Lyrical attachment. THE old bay rappers were spitters. the yuks, the dru downs, etc etc etc etc etc.....
Now lets talk about minstrel rap. allow me too quote allhiphop.com
" Minstrel Rap
If a song comes with a pre-packaged dance, check. If a song is about a food or food metaphor, check. If a song uses a nursery rhyme to support a piece of jewelry, check. If there are White people mocking you on YouTube with said song, check. Get the idea? "
THE DJ = DEAD
Mixtapes.... yes its clear that bootlegging has taken over the modems and its very much active. i remember back in 1991 maybe 92 and the mixtape scene was about DJs showing there craft and blazin new music from artists from his or her block..... Mixtapes are thrown together by individuals who think they are " rappers" or other individuals who feel they are " djs" because they have protools or more in importantly have access too new music coming out of regions. i can start too explain how the DJs are controlled by a higher power but we all know how radio works and we all know how clubnights are.
Grafth Artist = dead
I remember back in the day, Graffiti especially in new york was heavy and it seems that the whole artform of art on buildings and such is just not what it use too be. i just dont see graffiti as i did when hiphop was in fact poppin.
Break Dancing = dead
Finally. i remember when i was in 5th grade, niggas would wear helmets too school, not because they are riding the yellow bus. because they would break and it was poppin like that. I NEVER SEE ANYONE BREAKING. and seeming that the B-boy/BGyrl was a strong thing that brought hip-hop too what it was. hip-hop is in fact dead.
I recently heard DJ Kay Slay talking about how Jeezy and Ludacris have shirts talking about how hip-hop is alive and its in the south. something along those lines... now im not here too say the south doesnt produce good quality music because I for one is a huge killer mike fan along with outkast basically the whole dungeon family. HOWEVER alot of " gimmick rap" does come out of the south so i think MOST people are quick too say the south this and south that... Hip-hop as a culture is dead. none of above are poppin. and Until they do. its gonna be ugly. Coporate has taken over. and its kinda scary too think where Hip-Hop is headed. Theres no Buzz. No Originallity and no Tours.
This is my personal opinion.
Peace
Theres a more in depth explination why its dead on allhiphop.com but whats sad is they arent even adressing hip-hop is dead. the music itself is 25% of why hip-hop is dead there's a whole culture why nas & people like myself makes such bold statements.
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1668
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1668
Good shit Sly..
It died simply when image overtook substance...You can no longer look for the top talent in mainstream outlets. Its almost like IF the NBA or NFL no longer were the most talented football or basketball leagues so the general public wont have respect for the leagues cuz the athletes that they showcase are not the best. In hip hops case, the most accesible rap music (Radio, TV) is garbage, so the general public is not going to respect the Art when you have garbage ass rappers using tired ass marketing schemes and imagery representing hip hop.
THe less accesible hiphop or underground shit is still alive and kickin but their voices are not heard by the general public so they are pretty much dead to people who dont know them...
It died simply when image overtook substance...You can no longer look for the top talent in mainstream outlets. Its almost like IF the NBA or NFL no longer were the most talented football or basketball leagues so the general public wont have respect for the leagues cuz the athletes that they showcase are not the best. In hip hops case, the most accesible rap music (Radio, TV) is garbage, so the general public is not going to respect the Art when you have garbage ass rappers using tired ass marketing schemes and imagery representing hip hop.
THe less accesible hiphop or underground shit is still alive and kickin but their voices are not heard by the general public so they are pretty much dead to people who dont know them...
I'D SAY IT WAZ STILL ALIVE AROUND DA EARLY-MID 90's...
AZ TECHNOLOGY/GIMMIC RAP GREW, HIP-HOP START'D 2 FALL DEEPER INTO A COMA...
SLY MAKEz ALOT OF GOOD POINTz I WAZ GONNA TOUCH ON ( THE MC, THE DJ, QUALITY MUSIC WIT CONCEPTz, ALBUM SALEz, ETC )
ARTISTz DONT SEEM 2 HAVE DA POWER THEY ONCE HAD AN THINGz HAVE BECOME MORE CORPORATE...
GREED RAP IZ ON TOP...
- GEEzUz
nob0die is just a hater to nas, i usually dont stress shit like this cuz i really dont car if ppl hate but he's sayin dumb shit about him in like 5 threads on hear. plain in simple if ya dont like him then dont listen to him. send me a private message for the reasons u dont like nas and how he's a hypocrit and i'm pretty sure i will have an answere for ya
Yea dude hiz a big azz hater. I've addressed him on a few threadz already. He seemz hella bitter 4 some reason or another. He probably need some pussy or something. I don't know. nob0die iz alwayz dissing music & artist comin from NY & Cali but haz the nerve 2 speak up 4 Ms. Peaches, DFB, Rich Boy & Young Joc. Dude iz a sucka for real. I can tell that he aint never been 2 the East or West coast cuz hiz disresectful azz would get beat, robbed & raped talkin the shit out here in Cali he be talkin on the board.