Question for Troll... about magick

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Hey Troll you do magick and witchcraft right? WEll I was gonna ask. YOu know how the freemasons use magicakly talismans on the dollar bill to use energy against the people etc. And also how they use all those masonic buildings and monuments in washinton to also harness energy?

well since you are anti illuminati right? Is there any ways to use magick to counter their energy and influence on us? Or ways to counter it?

I know there has to be a collecive way to use energy to counter their energy. Especially now that people are waking up and know what is going on.

I was just wondering about this..

Well any help or insight on this would be good Troll.. let me know whats up...

thanks :siccness:
 

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right on bro,

ive been practicing on and off and learning the magickal arts since i was in the 7th grade.. heres my take on it...

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the monuments, structures, and pyramids u see around us act as conductors of energy.. the collective energies of the people are being channeled from these place's and being manipulated by the collective will of a handful of people..u pose a good question, how does one seperate themself from these conductors and energy vacums?? my answer to you is you already have.. i base my answer on the sorceror's rule that once someone is aware of the rituals that were directed at them, the spell collapses on itself.. which is the reason why most of this information seems to be coming forth at a much larger degree then in the past, because more people are becoming aware of it and making the ritual collapse on itself one person at a time....

let me get more mechanical...
By staring in awe at a structure of symbolism, your giving it an energy that your putting forth from yourself by attatching an etheral cord from your inner emotion of pride to the structure.. if u see that structure for what it really is, such as a symbolism of a handful of political based magi, and not a false patriotic idol, your not attatching the hidden umbilical ethereal cord of your inner energies, thus not being under the control of those who manipulate the collective energies of that structure..i know it sounds cliche' ish but in magick, Knowledge IZ power..

good question :)
 

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i meditate daily for at least an hour, and will be soon meditating for hours daily.
And by the way after one week of a 30 min meditation before bed i began seeing the improvements and the state entered is a paradox since you are completely relaxed and still, yet there is a sense of excitement deep within that is greatly sensed but not "experienced".
that alone has made meditation become my new "high" lol.
goodbye drugs, hello yoga

benefits:

Meditation : an enrichment to your soul
While a meditative state is the natural outcome of yoga and the spiritual benefit of meditation is supreme bliss or enlightenment, these words are unlikely to be understood by many.

However, progress towards meditation and meditative techniques have several benefits at the gross body or material level:


Improvement of body luster and general health-When your mind focuses on a particular part of the body, the blood flow to that part increases and cells receive more oxygen and other nutrients in abundance. Today, many of the film stars and fashion models include meditation in their daily regimen.


Improvement in concentration - Many of the athletes and sports professionals regularly employ meditation methods. Studies have found a direct correlation between concentration exercises (meditation) and the performance level of sports professionals. Meditation strengthens the mind, it comes under control and is able to provide effective guidance to the physical body to effectively execute all its projects. Psychological Exercises are a powerful way of improving concentration and improving mental strength.

Health benefits of Meditation:

Though meditation is usually recognized as a largely spiritual practice, it also has many health benefits. The yoga and meditation techniques are being implemented in management of life threatening diseases; in transformation of molecular and genetic structure; in reversal of mental illnesses, in accelerated learning programs, in perceptions and communications beyond the physical, in solving problems and atomic and nuclear physics; in gaining better ecological understanding; in management of lifestyle and future world problems. Some benefits of meditation are:


It lowers oxygen consumption.
It decreases respiratory rate.
It increases blood flow and slows the heart rate.
Increases exercise tolerance in heart patients.
Leads to a deeper level of relaxation.
Good for people with high blood pressure as it brings the B.P. to normal.
Reduces anxiety attacks by lowering the levels of blood lactate.
Decreases muscle tension (any pain due to tension) and headaches.
Builds self-confidence.


It increases serotonin production which influences mood and behaviour. Low levels of serotonin are associated with depression, obesity, insomnia and headaches.
Helps in chronic diseases like allergies , arthritis etc.
Reduces Pre- menstrual Syndrome.
Helps in post-operative healing.


Enhances the immune system. Research has revealed that meditation increases activity of 'natural-killer cells', which kill bacteria and cancer cells.
Also reduces activity of viruses and emotional distress.

Benefits of meditation on Women's health and Pregnancy:


Identity of your own - besides daughter, wife, mother etc.-

Women begin life as someone's daughter, and then someone's lover, wife, someone's mother. Yes, but who am I- who am I really? Not only does a woman need an understanding of her body but also needs to connect with the essence of her true self. A true self, which is an identity beyond everyday change- beyond gender, beyond fluctuations of hormones, beyond family expectations and other superimposed personality patterns. Discovering this true self is not as easy. Just when you know who you are , it all changes again.

The process of self discovery involves, stripping off false layers of identity, going back through all the conditionings , realizing- "I am not that, and not that, and not that", an emptiness out of which arises the realization - "Ah ha! I am that".

The place for this self discovery is not the psychiatrist's couch, the matrimonial bed, the mother's group, or even a yoga retreat, but within your own private meditation times.


Resolve Phobias -

Meditation can help to resolve the deepest of neuroses, fears and conflict which play their part in causing stress and ill health.


For mothers-to-be -

Meditation puts mothers in tune with their babies. Manta Japa is especially appropriate for pregnant women. [ See box Mantra Japa for pregnant women ] After birth, daily meditation becomes a precious time to refocus and make sense of the many new thoughts and feelings which can be running through your mind, brought about by the events of childbirth and new motherhood.



How meditation busts stress ?

Meditation comes to the rescue in such a situation and induces 'RELAXATION RESPONSE' . Dr Benson (used to work at Harvard Medical School, did a research of physiological effects of meditation) found that there was a counter-balancing mechanism to the fight-or-flight response in most stress-inducing situations. As stress is induced by stimulation of the- hypothalamus of the brain Relaxation can achieved by countering this stimulation - by stimulating other areas of the brain. This is achieved by doing meditation, which leads to state of deep rest.
 
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Ay troll, man honestly I see witchcraft and Wizardry and all of magic as evil. You know how your abuela will say, Ay dios Mio, que asco, Pinche Bruja! Man Didn't know homeboys were into that shit, but I sure aint, nor will I try to get into in, but how is Criss Angel able to levitate. I read a book a while back, man I should have asked the Lord to forbid me to read that book, I was at the Cesar Chavez Library in Stockton, and I read that they meditate heavily, and chant some words. My GreatGranpa, was a wizard of some sort, but I was always against it, Growing up as a Catholic then reforming to being non-denominational as you can expect a christian to feel or believe. But how are they able to fly or levitate?
 
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He had a book, that had latin words, you say the words everyday, and it'll come true, my Crack Head tio, stole the Book, and he was using it, He used to Loosing weight spell, he was a heavy 230 or so pounds, then in 2 weeks of using the loose weight spell he lost about 50-70 lbs. I was like, but I'm still straight, tryin to conjure spiritos como un Bruja.
 
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Man of course, because I'm a christian, I'd warn you to stay away from that shit. I use to reah Books of Hypnotism, when I was in 6th grade, that's when I was studying Theology real hard, then I fell off a bit and started lagging on my studies. But I heard you have to free your mind, but if you free your mind, you're suceptable to having spirits enter you, or have demons mess with your mind. That's why I'm straight with that shit, and conjuring spirits, My Mother's side of the family does that shit sometimes, but My dad's side is the Pastor side, so I have both in my blood, but I rather stay with my Dad's Side of Beliefs.
 

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Stockton209SS said:
Ay troll, man honestly I see witchcraft and Wizardry and all of magic as evil.
at one time, when i was younger, i did too.. i thought, dam, these foolz are allowed to be satanists and they arent trying to blow up the fuckin world?? then i did my own research and found out the bible has more death and destruction in it then does the satanic bible.. witches have been far more persecuted then christians have..


Stockton209SS said:
You know how your abuela will say, Ay dios Mio, que asco, Pinche Bruja!
yeah i wouldnt doubt it.. but my family knew about my beliefs scince i was in JR high.. im just not blatant about it and throwin it in their face..
Stockton209SS said:
Man Didn't know homeboys were into that shit, but I sure aint, nor will I try to get into in,
I have a homie out here in the stack whos from san jo and was part of the 'triple six norte'.. satanist homeboys exist..its just they dont really feel they have to 'convert' anybody so they dont really talk about it....

Stockton209SS said:
but how is Criss Angel able to levitate.
Strings probably.. dont confuse 'stage' magic and real magick/witchcraft

Stockton209SS said:
I read a book a while back, man I should have asked the Lord to forbid me to read that book,
and why? did u burst into flames?? did u have a sudden urge to go commit a human sacrafice? do u feel theres a demon on your shoulder now that you have read a book?? one of the main reasons christianity and catholicism didnt really appeal to me was the way they supressed information about anything other then christianity or catholicism..why should i feel i need to be forgiven for doing shit that comes natural to me as a human being? feel me?
Stockton209SS said:
I was at the Cesar Chavez Library in Stockton, and I read that they meditate heavily, and chant some words.
so do buddhists and monks :)
Stockton209SS said:
My GreatGranpa, was a wizard of some sort, but I was always against it,
there is a belief it is hereditery.. you exhibit the curiosity and thirst for knowledge that a warlock/witch is known for, however, you are shackled with the burden of having an outside opinion demonize a contrary opinion for you.... and feel you have to be forgiven for finding out on your own wether something is evil or not...witchcraft has been around much longer then christianity has.. and one who practices witchcraft would be happy you have an all powerful deity to find comfort in.. but do u see which belief is on the attack?? i wont ever tell you your belief is wrong homie, merely having one should be shown respect for its symbolic of your own individuality..

Stockton209SS said:
Growing up as a Catholic then reforming to being non-denominational as you can expect a christian to feel or believe. But how are they able to fly or levitate?
I understand totally!! i had to restructure a couple areas of 'all ive been taught' when it came to the truth about the shadow governments and what the bible condoned.. if your refering to Criss Angel, thats stage magic homie.. hes an illusionist.. the stereotype of the witch being a female with pointy hat green face mole-nosed and flying on a broomstick was an early form of propaganda.. meant to put fear into the gulible.. i remember reading back in the day in this shamanic book about a couple shamans that could levitate while in the euphoric state of chanting, how, i wouldnt know, levitation is to glamourized to serve a real purpose and i never really looked it up.. i will when i can,im more familiar with astral projection and remote viewing =D
 
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Primero homeboy, It's like this, I didn't convert from Catholism to Non-Denominational Christian, because of Popular Belief. It was a blessing, that I understood and found out the Truth. You say that Witches have been more Persecuted then Christians, because it is Written that all witches, Wizards or any type of Spirit Conjurers will serve their time in the Lake of Fire. As far as the bible having more destruction than the Satanic bible, I will get alot of Critism here especially from the Free world or the "Free Minded" People, but that's exactly what satan wants everyone to believe, that Satanism is a religion based on Trying to live a free life and Defy GOD, and that it's not as bad as it seems. T

The Devil Knows the Bible, the Quran, to Torah, the Buddist Manuscripts better than the Best Theologian. He knows the Truth our lives, but that's what Satan will do, Give you the Truth, but twist in his Own Lies. I didn't mean to Mess up your thread homeboy, cause as you posted earlier, for those non-believers DO NOT POST. Well I posted out of curiosity and your response made me want to give another response to the response you have given me.

People will always try to use your own Beliefs against you, BUT you haven't yet, and I respect that. Many will say well Jesus said Don't Judge, he meant not to judge according or as we see it. It's our duty to tell you that you will end up in hell if you don't accept Christ, but I know you're smart and you understand the Bible, you're the most Educated homeboy I know. But this thing with Wizardry and Satanism, I can't agree with that shit homeboy.

Going back to an earlier statement
witches have been far more persecuted then christians have..
If you are referring to the Salem Witch Trials, many of them weren't Witches, I believe the Witness were the Witches. Many of those that were hung were falsely accused, Pastors, Innocent Women, The Blind and the Lame, why because the Devil likes to kill people. But can it be a simple as, well the Devil did it, NO. Many people can choose to blame God or Satan, but many people whose minds are rapped up in Organized Theology will say yes it's the Devil. It's the choice of the person, it could be from his own thinking, or influence of the Devil. I may not support many of my cases will well typed Deliveries, but I know you understand my drift.

When you say Witches are more persecuted than Christians do you mean in the Ancient times or Modern day. If you speak of Today, you have Christians Being killed in the Middle East, parts of Russia, The Phillipines, Eastern Countries of Asia, and Africa. So when you talk about Witches being Persecuted more thatn Christians, then you must mean that more witches died during the Early years of Roman Catholicism where if you were celebrating Jewish Holidays and you were a Christian you could be killed. You must be referring to when Many Protestants were Dying because they refused to Convert to the Ways of the Pope. I have a hard time believing that More witches have been persecuted more than Christians. If you don't mind, you mind giving me a book or a link to read.
 

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Stockton209SS said:
Primero homeboy, It's like this, I didn't convert from Catholism to Non-Denominational Christian, because of Popular Belief. It was a blessing, that I understood and found out the Truth.
fa sho, thats good for you homie.. im all about self empowerment..

Stockton209SS said:
You say that Witches have been more Persecuted then Christians, because it is Written that all witches, Wizards or any type of Spirit Conjurers will serve their time in the Lake of Fire.
yep.. how more persecuted can u be then to be told your going to be damnd to a lake of eternal fire??..why is it that all of gods children fight amongst each other?? ((christians, moslem's etc)) :(

Stockton209SS said:
As far as the bible having more destruction than the Satanic bible, I will get alot of Critism here especially from the Free world or the "Free Minded" People, but that's exactly what satan wants everyone to believe, that Satanism is a religion based on Trying to live a free life and Defy GOD, and that it's not as bad as it seems.
I myself am not a satanist.. i believe the concept of god as a being exhibiting free will is a compliment to only mans self image.. i do not believe there is a horned, hooved forkd tounge being out to see me crumble for the sole purpose of his amusement. Satanist only embrace that imagery because of its symbolism of being defiant in the face of persecution to ones individuality..


Stockton209SS said:
The Devil Knows the Bible, the Quran, to Torah, the Buddist Manuscripts better than the Best Theologian. He knows the Truth our lives, but that's what Satan will do, Give you the Truth, but twist in his Own Lies.
i take the truth and see it for what its for.. so if this satan twists a lie and it looks like a truth to me.. then who is lying?

Stockton209SS said:
I didn't mean to Mess up your thread homeboy, cause as you posted earlier, for those non-believers DO NOT POST. Well I posted out of curiosity and your response made me want to give another response to the response you have given me.
U didnt homie, i didnt say do no post, it was just a warning that those who think these things are all delusion that i was going to reveal the ways it workd so it was going to sound funny to them.. thats all lol
Stockton209SS said:
People will always try to use your own Beliefs against you, BUT you haven't yet, and I respect that. Many will say well Jesus said Don't Judge, he meant not to judge according or as we see it. It's our duty to tell you that you will end up in hell if you don't accept Christ, but I know you're smart and you understand the Bible, you're the most Educated homeboy I know. But this thing with Wizardry and Satanism, I can't agree with that shit homeboy.
You dont have to agree with it homie.. its never anything thats exposed to anybody else unless they're working in unison.. i think that jesus knew alot, he had a great message.. my own belief is that it got distorted.. but see i also believe he survived the crucafixtion but thats a whole other disscussion for another time..

Stockton209SS said:
If you are referring to the Salem Witch Trials, many of them weren't Witches, I believe the Witness were the Witches. Many of those that were hung were falsely accused, Pastors, Innocent Women, The Blind and the Lame, why because the Devil likes to kill people.
man did the hanging, the accusing, picked out of church seats to be drug out and burned alive.... man=devil ?? thats where the satanist will argue... my own personal belief is that we are the catalyst's of our own fate, but the manipulation is when the blame is to be taken off the person and placed on a categorized boogie man..
Stockton209SS said:
But can it be a simple as, well the Devil did it, NO. Many people can choose to blame God or Satan, but many people whose minds are rapped up in Organized Theology will say yes it's the Devil. It's the choice of the person, it could be from his own thinking, or influence of the Devil. I may not support many of my cases will well typed Deliveries, but I know you understand my drift.
yeah, i see what your saying, im essentially saying, why differentiate the too the devils influence and the persons own thinking.. they're the same..
Stockton209SS said:
When you say Witches are more persecuted than Christians do you mean in the Ancient times or Modern day. If you speak of Today, you have Christians Being killed in the Middle East, parts of Russia, The Phillipines, Eastern Countries of Asia, and Africa. So when you talk about Witches being Persecuted more thatn Christians, then you must mean that more witches died during the Early years of Roman Catholicism where if you were celebrating Jewish Holidays and you were a Christian you could be killed. You must be referring to when Many Protestants were Dying because they refused to Convert to the Ways of the Pope. I have a hard time believing that More witches have been persecuted more than Christians. If you don't mind, you mind giving me a book or a link to read.
ehh?? i work with a dood who fought in the phillipine military against the communist's but he told me that the south of the philipines where most muslims are were contained there by the spanish.. i neveer denied that there are lives being taken on both sides.. i think if religion were abolished there would be a lot of problemz solved but its hard to seperate onez own opinion on how we came to be, from the direction they want the world to go.
 

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Stockton209SS said:
But I heard you have to free your mind, but if you free your mind, you're suceptable to having spirits enter you, or have demons mess with your mind..
or freeing your mind can also be to let go of your bs beliefs because if you dont believe it will happen, or if you believe doing it will send you to hell, then it will never work.