Popped in Oakland Pt 2 Documentary

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=vv-arP2ZihI&NR=1

Not sure if anyone posted this but this has got to be one of the realest documentaries on Oakland. Fab is on here, gary archer, pretty black. Its about 50 minutes long on youtube but once you start watching, you'll get hooked. It even went as far as talking to the family of Plan Bee from Oakland. The guy who made it did an excellent job. Check it out
 
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thanks bro. i watched this flik twice last night, it was that good. You get to see how many lives in oakland are effected by guns, rap, money, and death. its a real glimpse into an american ghetto
In some ways it's misleading though because that's not what all of Oakland is like. East Oakland (where most of this documentary was filmed) is around 108 blocks long and 40 blocks wide... it's bigger than San Leandro. In an area that large, not all of it is going to be the same (and it isn't). There's some nice neighborhoods in East Oakland just as there's also some fucked up ones. By far the worst part of East Oakland is the Deep (where they filmed the Hennessy segment) followed by Seminary and the 50's below Foothill. Aside from those, a lot of East Oakland is actually nice. Anything above Mac in East Oakland is nice, and anything above E. 27th between Park and Fruitvale isn't that bad either. Even in the worst areas I just mentioned not everything is bad... the part of the 100's between 106th and Durant above Breed (next to San Leandro) isn't bad at all and the area between High Street and Seminary above Fairfax is nice. The part of the 30's between 38th and High Street above Allendale isn't bad either.

Oakland gets generalized for being ghetto because it has a large black population. The reality is that the majority of it isn't, nor are all blacks in Oakland poor. Far from it.
 
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i feel you on that homie, it can be misleading if you think of all african americans being "ghetto" but as far as the real look into how fast people live and die in the streets, senseless acts of violence, random acts f violence, the thought process of a young person having to deal with this. I think it went much deeper than just a video glamourizing the rap life or dope life. I think pretty black had one of the most powerful segments. He spoke about the streets but at the end he hit you with a real message. its not for everybody. Get an education. Months later, he was gunned down. Its something out of a scripted movie, but its real
 
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i feel you on that homie, it can be misleading if you think of all african americans being "ghetto" but as far as the real look into how fast people live and die in the streets, senseless acts of violence, random acts f violence, the thought process of a young person having to deal with this. I think it went much deeper than just a video glamourizing the rap life or dope life. I think pretty black had one of the most powerful segments. He spoke about the streets but at the end he hit you with a real message. its not for everybody. Get an education. Months later, he was gunned down. Its something out of a scripted movie, but its real
I agree 100% that it's a well-made documentary that gives an honest look into what street-life in Oakland is like. I've been on all the streets shown in that video and I'm in the streets of Oakland every day so I know they're not exaggerating. However, while I'm in the streets I'm not in the game, so my perspective's going to be different. I personally am not living in fear wondering whether today is going to be my last despite that I'm often on the very same streets that the people in the video have been shot/stabbed/killed on. I'm alert, but not afraid. If you're in the game, you'd have to be an idiot not to be afraid... people don't carry protection unless they think they need it.

The streets of East Oakland are no bullshit, but there's positives to living here as well. IMO West & North Oakland have it worse than us even though they don't have as much crime because they don't have as many of the positives... there's literally not a single grocery store in all of West or North Oakland. The nearest one is in Emeryville (Pak N Save) Downtown Oakland (Smart & Final) or Rockridge (Safeway). There's barely any food period in West Oakland... there ain't shit on Seventh Street and what's there is unhealthy as fuck. East Oakland also has some truly great community centers like Youth Uprising and East Oakland Arts Alliance that have some state of the art programs and equipment... West & North Oakland have none of that. I'd hate living in West Oakland not because of the crime but because of how depressing/boring it would be to grow up there... there's literally nothing to do except get into trouble. The Deep is like that too, but in general there's a lot more going on in the East than in the other "hood" parts of the city. It's also not as segregated... West and North Oakland are segregated as fuck.
 
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probably one of the best explanations you'll hear on oakland. im not from the town but i've been in and out of there like anyone else in the streets. But when driving through international from one end to another or towards the hill, you're going to see the major difference in the surrounding areas. You're right too homie,there are some positives. many have excelled beyond the streets and murders to become something, and im not just talking about Kreashawn ahahaa. Hopefully this person who made it or anyone else can show that side of oakland in a documentary and not just rapping and weed smoking.
 
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Pretty decent...Oakland has its problems like many other cities in America and the world for that matter....Very unfortunate but at the same time somewhat to be expected from the lower rungs of society.....
 

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That was miany. Preety Black was stuntin to hard in the streets, wow! People are not even phased by the killing, they're desensitized to all of it.
 
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That was miany. Preety Black was stuntin to hard in the streets, wow! People are not even phased by the killing, they're desensitized to all of it.
Everytime I fucked with him he was always stuntin and we would always blow big.lol. It is terrible when you really think about it though. All probably because he was doing better than most. Only in the streets does it cost you your life more often than not. RIP Pretty Black.

Great documentary.
 
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This was great.As an Oakland native it made me sick to my stomach because it was real. I dont have all the answers but there has to be one
What has to happen is that the value of human life in these neighborhoods needs to increase again. As it is right now, You can assault/shoot/murder somebody in Oakland and there's a 1/3 chance that the police will solve it (the OPD has around a 30% case clearance rate). In many cases, unless there are exasperating circumstances (i.e. a kid gets shot/killed) the cops don't make much of an effort to clear a case (in part because the OPD is stretched really thin right now). That reality of the OPD indirectly affects the reality in the streets. Residents in neighborhoods like Seminary know for a fact that their lives are factually not worth as much as lives in other places... take San Jose for example, which has a nearly 100% case clearance rate. What this actually translates into is that you have people from other cities coming into Oakland (and to a lesser extent Vallejo) to do what they do because they couldn't get away with it in their own cities but they can here. Three people from Stockton were responsible for over 100 armed robberies in Oakland last year... they were driving back to Stockon after every robbery which is how they avoided detection until they got caught a full seven or eight months after they had started. In other words, the streets of Oakland are attracting more than just people from Oakland... the perception inside and outside of Oakland is that nobody gives a fuck about what happens in these neighborhoods. It's more than just violent crime too... there's tons of illegal dumping from out of town companies/people and it's mostly out of towners who are going into these neighborhoods to buy drugs and pick up prostitutes.

Kids from these neighborhoods internalize the belief that their neighborhoods aren't worth giving a fuck about and as a result they don't feel any meaningful sense of neighborhood pride... crime is just something you deal with that doesn't ever disappear. Kids in these neighborhoods think seeing people get murdered/robbed/raped/stabbed is normal, and in a fucked up way it is. You have a culture being perpetuated where crime is something not worth taking a stand against because "it's going to happen anyway". This is not even getting into the impact of police corruption... generations and generations of racist police fuckery on the part of OPD stemming back to the 1940's has trained people who are from these neighborhoods to be wary of the people who are supposed to be on their side, even in the rare instance that they are on their side. When crime happens, there's often two conflicting attitudes towards the police that simultaneously hold true:

a) The police won't solve the crime anyway so why bother working with them
b) The police are often worse than the criminals so I don't want to be involved with them

The conflict is that the police won't solve the crime without help from the neighborhood, but the neighborhood won't help them because they fear them (and often rightfully so). When they don't solve the crime, for the people in the neighborhood it affirms what they already believed (that the police wouldn't solve the crime anyway) so in many ways it's a self-perpetuating belief that happens to be rooted in a history where the police were quicker to fuck with these neighborhoods than they were to help them. What can't be ignored, though, is the existence of a third attitude:

c) If I work with the police the criminals will attack me next

And this is where the case clearance rate comes in. If the residents of these neighborhoods actually believed that working with the police resulted in the criminals getting arrested, they wouldn't have as much to fear from the criminals. The reality is that the vast majority of the time these cases don't get solved, so why would your average resident of a shitty neighborhood put their life on the line when there's a good chance it will come back on them? They won't.

I'm not a supporter of the OPD, but I can see that the crime situation in these neighborhoods won't improve until the OPD repairs not only their clearance rate but also their relationship with the neighborhoods. Even bigger than the crime problem though is the neighborhood culture problem... you could place Seminary in San Jose but you'd still have the same culture of desensitization. A lot of the adults in these neighborhoods have fully adjusted to that culture to the point where that is who they are... the best they can do for their kids in that situation is to attempt to protect them from the crime, but they can't protect them from the mindset that's allowing crime to happen to the extent it does (which they're more than likely passing down to their kids). If people want to see real change in the hoods of Oakland, you have to show these kids that there's more to life than what's going on in the hood. They need more than people telling them that a life of crime will land them in a grave or in jail... they need to be constantly exposed to a different lifestyle the same way middle class and upper class kids are exposed to a middle/upper class lifestyle all their lives. The real problem is that the vast majority of these kids from the hood will never get a middle class or upper class education to be able to live that lifestyle, and that education isn't just in the classroom. The vast majority of the parents of these kids won't strive to give their kids that education because it wasn't given to them and they were never exposed to other lifestyles themselves. Maybe 10-15% of kids from the hood will be given that opportunity and will be able to move up... 85-90% won't. It's not about the money, it's about the mindset... look no further than at some of the fiscally wealthy rappers who are products of these neighborhoods who raise mentally impoverished kids who aren't equipped to be successful in life.


Sorry for the wall of text, but that's my honest answer to the question.
 
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What has to happen is that the value of human life in these neighborhoods needs to increase again. As it is right now, You can assault/shoot/murder somebody in Oakland and there's a 1/3 chance that the police will solve it (the OPD has around a 30% case clearance rate). In many cases, unless there are exasperating circumstances (i.e. a kid gets shot/killed) the cops don't make much of an effort to clear a case (in part because the OPD is stretched really thin right now). That reality of the OPD indirectly affects the reality in the streets. Residents in neighborhoods like Seminary know for a fact that their lives are factually not worth as much as lives in other places... take San Jose for example, which has a nearly 100% case clearance rate. What this actually translates into is that you have people from other cities coming into Oakland (and to a lesser extent Vallejo) to do what they do because they couldn't get away with it in their own cities but they can here. Three people from Stockton were responsible for over 100 armed robberies in Oakland last year... they were driving back to Stockon after every robbery which is how they avoided detection until they got caught a full seven or eight months after they had started. In other words, the streets of Oakland are attracting more than just people from Oakland... the perception inside and outside of Oakland is that nobody gives a fuck about what happens in these neighborhoods. It's more than just violent crime too... there's tons of illegal dumping from out of town companies/people and it's mostly out of towners who are going into these neighborhoods to buy drugs and pick up prostitutes.

Kids from these neighborhoods internalize the belief that their neighborhoods aren't worth giving a fuck about and as a result they don't feel any meaningful sense of neighborhood pride... crime is just something you deal with that doesn't ever disappear. Kids in these neighborhoods think seeing people get murdered/robbed/raped/stabbed is normal, and in a fucked up way it is. You have a culture being perpetuated where crime is something not worth taking a stand against because "it's going to happen anyway". This is not even getting into the impact of police corruption... generations and generations of racist police fuckery on the part of OPD stemming back to the 1940's has trained people who are from these neighborhoods to be wary of the people who are supposed to be on their side, even in the rare instance that they are on their side. When crime happens, there's often two conflicting attitudes towards the police that simultaneously hold true:

a) The police won't solve the crime anyway so why bother working with them
b) The police are often worse than the criminals so I don't want to be involved with them

The conflict is that the police won't solve the crime without help from the neighborhood, but the neighborhood won't help them because they fear them (and often rightfully so). When they don't solve the crime, for the people in the neighborhood it affirms what they already believed (that the police wouldn't solve the crime anyway) so in many ways it's a self-perpetuating belief that happens to be rooted in a history where the police were quicker to fuck with these neighborhoods than they were to help them. What can't be ignored, though, is the existence of a third attitude:

c) If I work with the police the criminals will attack me next

And this is where the case clearance rate comes in. If the residents of these neighborhoods actually believed that working with the police resulted in the criminals getting arrested, they wouldn't have as much to fear from the criminals. The reality is that the vast majority of the time these cases don't get solved, so why would your average resident of a shitty neighborhood put their life on the line when there's a good chance it will come back on them? They won't.

I'm not a supporter of the OPD, but I can see that the crime situation in these neighborhoods won't improve until the OPD repairs not only their clearance rate but also their relationship with the neighborhoods. Even bigger than the crime problem though is the neighborhood culture problem... you could place Seminary in San Jose but you'd still have the same culture of desensitization. A lot of the adults in these neighborhoods have fully adjusted to that culture to the point where that is who they are... the best they can do for their kids in that situation is to attempt to protect them from the crime, but they can't protect them from the mindset that's allowing crime to happen to the extent it does (which they're more than likely passing down to their kids). If people want to see real change in the hoods of Oakland, you have to show these kids that there's more to life than what's going on in the hood. They need more than people telling them that a life of crime will land them in a grave or in jail... they need to be constantly exposed to a different lifestyle the same way middle class and upper class kids are exposed to a middle/upper class lifestyle all their lives. The real problem is that the vast majority of these kids from the hood will never get a middle class or upper class education to be able to live that lifestyle, and that education isn't just in the classroom. The vast majority of the parents of these kids won't strive to give their kids that education because it wasn't given to them and they were never exposed to other lifestyles themselves. Maybe 10-15% of kids from the hood will be given that opportunity and will be able to move up... 85-90% won't. It's not about the money, it's about the mindset... look no further than at some of the fiscally wealthy rappers who are products of these neighborhoods who raise mentally impoverished kids who aren't equipped to be successful in life.


Sorry for the wall of text, but that's my honest answer to the question.
You my friend get it. Dont let that sharp mind go to waste, real talk.