Pastor with 666 tattoo claims to be divine

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MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- The minister has the number 666 tattooed on his arm.

But Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda is not your typical minister. De Jesus, or "Daddy" as his thousands of followers call him, does not merely pray to God: He says he is God.

"The spirit that is in me is the same spirit that was in Jesus of Nazareth," de Jesus says.

De Jesus' claims of divinity have angered Christian leaders, who say he is a fake. Religious experts say he may be something much more dangerous, a cult leader who really believes he is God. (Watch followers get 666 tattoos for their leader Video)

"He's in their heads, he's inside the heads of those people," says Prof. Daniel Alvarez, a religion expert at Florida International University who has debated some of de Jesus' followers.

"De Jesus speaks with a kind of conviction that makes me consider him more like David Koresh or Jim Jones."

Is de Jesus really a cult leader like David Koresh, who died with more than 70 of his Branch Davidian followers in a fiery end to a standoff with federal authorities, or Jim Jones, the founder of the Peoples Temple who committed mass suicide with 900 followers in 1978?
Prophets 'spoke to me'

De Jesus and his believers say their church -- "Creciendo en Gracia," Spanish for "Growing in grace" -- is misunderstood. Followers of the movement say they have proof that their minister is divine and that their church will one day soon be a major faith in the world.

But even de Jesus concedes that he is an unlikely leader of a church that claims thousands of members in more than 30 countries.

De Jesus, 61, grew up poor in Puerto Rico. He says he served stints in prison there for petty theft and says he was a heroin addict.

De Jesus says he learned he was Jesus reincarnate when he was visited in a dream by angels.

"The prophets, they spoke about me. It took me time to learn that, but I am what they were expecting, what they have been expecting for 2,000 years," de Jesus says.

The church that he began building 20 years ago in Miami resembles no other:

# Followers have protested Christian churches in Miami and Latin America, disrupting services and smashing crosses and statues of Jesus.

# De Jesus preaches there is no devil and no sin. His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes.

# The church calls itself the "Government of God on Earth" and uses a seal similar to the United States.
Doing God's work with a Lexus and Rolex

If Creciendo en Gracia is an atypical religious group, de Jesus also does not fit the mold of the average church leader. De Jesus flouts traditional vows of poverty.

He says he has a church-paid salary of $136,000 but lives more lavishly than that. During an interview, he showed off a diamond-encrusted Rolex to a CNN crew and said he has three just like them. He travels in armored Lexuses and BMWs, he says, for his safety. All are gifts from his devoted followers.

And what about the tattoo of 666 on his arm?

Although it's a number usually associated with Satan, not the son of God, de Jesus says that 666 and the Antichrist are, like him, misunderstood.

The Antichrist is not the devil, de Jesus tells his congregation; he's the being who replaces Jesus on Earth.

"Antichrist is the best person in the world," he says. "Antichrist means don't put your eyes on Jesus because Jesus of Nazareth wasn't a Christian. Antichrist means do not put your eyes on Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Put it on Jesus after the cross."

And de Jesus says that means him.

So far, de Jesus says that his flock hasn't been scared off by his claims of being the Antichrist. In a show of the sway he holds over the group, 30 members of his congregation Tuesday went to a tattoo parlor to have 666 also permanently etched onto their skin.

He may wield influence over them, but his followers say don't expect them to go the way of people who believed in David Koresh and Jim Jones. Just by finding de Jesus, they say, they have achieved their purpose.

"If somebody tells us drink some Kool-Aid and we'll go to heaven, that's not true. We are already in heavenly places," follower Martita Roca told CNN after having 666 tattooed onto her ankle.
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@206, I never knocked his hustle, just his demeanor.

@JMAC, I'd say something about you in the next 10-15 years, but You might not be alive at that time. Ey, bad habits are repetitive holmes.
 
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im not sure what you are trying to say...

bad habits are repetiive...which is exactly why you will be saying you are Jesus in 15-20 years..

hopefully you would have commited suicide by then.

amen.
 
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Hopefully, you would have lost weight by then, cause in 10-15 years, your heart might collapse. That my friend is "Christian" CAUSE it's la Verdad que no? I've tried to be melo about things towards you, but....bleh.
 

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well, anybody can claim to be God......probably another attempt to make money or fame off of god's name and shit
 

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nhojsmith said:
why do you theologians deny this guy but embrace jesus?

edit: or allah, or jhova
I'm going to answer this, and I want you to leave any attacks and insults at the door. I'm going to call a truce with you for one month. Try to look at what I am going to tell from my perspective and NOT from a person who doesn't believe it. Yes, it may be hard, but thats the only way you'll "get it".

The reason I deny him is because of several things:

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De Jesus says he learned he was Jesus reincarnate when he was visited in a dream by angels.
To a person who has the same or similar beliefs as mine there is no "jesus reincarnate" because we believe he died and rose again. He was not born back into the world and reincarnation goes against biblical teachings.

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The prophets, they spoke about me. It took me time to learn that, but I am what they were expecting, what they have been expecting for 2,000 years," de Jesus says.
This goes AGAINST what Yeshi said in Matthew 24.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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"De Jesus preaches there is no devil and no sin. His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes."
This goes against any and all biblical teachings regarding sin. You can do wrong in Gods eyes, and the fact that he is promoting the idea that you can do no wrong is dangerous and should be avoided. Sin is the reason Yeshi came to this world, and sin is what seperates man from creator.

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"The Antichrist is not the devil, de Jesus tells his congregation; he's the being who replaces Jesus on Earth.

"Antichrist is the best person in the world," he says. "Antichrist means don't put your eyes on Jesus because Jesus of Nazareth wasn't a Christian. Antichrist means do not put your eyes on Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Put it on Jesus after the cross."
Again this goes against any and all biblical teachings and it doesn't matter if you believe in a single antichrist or a antichrist mindset. NEVER in biblical scriptures or teachings is the antichrist looked on as "good".
 
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HERESY said:
I'm going to answer this, and I want you to leave any attacks and insults at the door. I'm going to call a truce with you for one month. Try to look at what I am going to tell from my perspective and NOT from a person who doesn't believe it. Yes, it may be hard, but thats the only way you'll "get it".

The reason I deny him is because of several things:

1.

To a person who has the same or similar beliefs as mine there is no "jesus reincarnate" because we believe he died and rose again. He was not born back into the world and reincarnation goes against biblical teachings.

2. "

This goes AGAINST what Yeshi said in Matthew 24.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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This goes against any and all biblical teachings regarding sin. You can do wrong in Gods eyes, and the fact that he is promoting the idea that you can do no wrong is dangerous and should be avoided. Sin is the reason Yeshi came to this world, and sin is what seperates man from creator.

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Again this goes against any and all biblical teachings and it doesn't matter if you believe in a single antichrist or a antichrist mindset. NEVER in biblical scriptures or teachings is the antichrist looked on as "good".

i aprreciate the answer, and when you lay it out clearly like this i can understand the difference. is all of the bible to be taken as truth by you? (old and new testament).
 

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Well, not all of it is to be taken literally, but I do believe the literal parts are true, and I do not ascribe to the belief that you can pick and choose what you want to believe. However this poses a problem for many people. How do you know what is literal or what isn't and how do you know what to believe?

The answer to that is to study and allow God to teach you instead of sitting in church every sunday and listening to the preacher lie about God. Open your bible, pray, read the scriptures and develop and understanding of it.

EDIT: Also, I believe the current "bible" that we have is not complete.
 
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HERESY said:
Well, not all of it is to be taken literally, but I do believe the literal parts are true, and I do not ascribe to the belief that you can pick and choose what you want to believe. However this poses a problem for many people. How do you know what is literal or what isn't and how do you know what to believe?

The answer to that is to study and allow God to teach you instead of sitting in church every sunday and listening to the preacher lie about God. Open your bible, pray, read the scriptures and develop and understanding of it.

EDIT: Also, I believe the current "bible" that we have is not complete.
not complete as in ...to be continuedd, or not complete as in...king james or someone else fucked with it.
 
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Hopefully, you would have lost weight by then, cause in 10-15 years, your heart might collapse. That my friend is "Christian" CAUSE it's la Verdad que no? I've tried to be melo about things towards you, but....bleh.

la verdad?

haha.....I see you like to look at my pictures. I knew you would come out of the closet sooner or later..

exactly what we need in the world...another christian faggot.

I just hope you get laid by then brother....haha..
but Ill say God will come before that.

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