LYRICS vs. PRODUCTION

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What makes or breaks a rap/hip hop song for you guys? i say a song can still be good if the rapper is just aiht but the beat is tight, but an awful beat will destroy a song no matter how tight the MC comes. I can think of a lot of mediocre rappers who I ended up bumpin theyre albums just for the beats.

In the end ima have to side with production. What you guys think?
 
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What makes or breaks a rap/hip hop song for you guys? i say a song can still be good if the rapper is just aiht but the beat is tight, but an awful beat will destroy a song no matter how tight the MC comes. I can think of a lot of mediocre rappers who I ended up bumpin theyre albums just for the beats.

In the end ima have to side with production. What you guys think?
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Apr 23, 2006
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if the lyrics are good enough then ill still listen over a shitty beat

but seriously beats are gettin easier and easier to make good ones nowadays so there is no excuse for puttin a shitty beat on your album

either way if you dont have the complete package your gettin downloaded so ... STEP IT UP
 

Palmer

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Without a doubt lyrics. I can put up with a shitty beat if someone sick is spittin over it but 99% of the time I can't handle listening to shitty rappers even if the beat is sick.

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BEATS!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously if the beat sucks, I cannot listen to it. Don't get me wrong I dont want to listen to bad lyrics or flow or whatever, but if the beat is really good, I will listen to it. But some rappers that are pretty good and have terrible beats, I cant listen to em. I just cant get into it because the music blows.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I can guarntee most of the people on the Siccness would take a crappy rapper over a dope beat, see: Rick Ross.
while I think there has to be a combination of both, I believe a beat is the most critical part to an album. there are examples on both sides...look at T-Nutty, spits wise, his albums are classics. But people dont put them on that status because his production never matches up with his spits. You cant have a great album without having both. There are so many albums that I wish had better production to match the lyrics that would make the albums classic, but unfortunately the beats lacked. This happened alot with Sac music IMO.

But your right, if I had to listen to one or the other, Id take an album that had great production and sub-par lyrics than vice versa.
 
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for me its the overall flow.

you can have a DOPE beat, and DOPE lyrics, but if you cant deliver them, i dont wanna hear it.

if you have a weak beat, but you rip it, then its all good.

some songs have really good beats, but the artists voice and lyrics are garbage.

so without a doubt

flow > lyrics > and beat comes last
 
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there needs to be a balance... if dude is saying something i dont wanna hear on the tightest beat ever.... i cant listen. if dude gots a beat that is garbage but hes saying the tightest shit ever said.. i still cant listen
 
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It does take a balance. Imagine Pac on some amateur FruityLoops beats. He would still be Pac but u wouldnt feel that same effect if he didnt have some classic beats to flow to.
 

ThaG

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What makes or breaks a rap/hip hop song for you guys? i say a song can still be good if the rapper is just aiht but the beat is tight, but an awful beat will destroy a song no matter how tight the MC comes. I can think of a lot of mediocre rappers who I ended up bumpin theyre albums just for the beats.

In the end ima have to side with production. What you guys think?
Ideally, I would have both. But the production has the power to destroy a song, while bad lyrics with OK flow and a dope beat still work

There is something that lot of people don't realize though, and it is that there are a lot of very dope beats on which you simply can't put the lyrics that are considered dope. A lot of the southern music that has been especially criticized for having good beats + crappy lyrics but I have hard time imagining Canibus-level lyrics over a club-banger crunk beat.

canibus some dope lyrics fucked up beats= poor album sales ( i still buy his shit though)
And hard-to-listen-to music. Let's not pay too much attention to sales, even good beats wouldn't have saved him, because his lyrics aren't exactly the material that sells.
 

ThaG

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if the lyrics are good enough then ill still listen over a shitty beat

but seriously beats are gettin easier and easier to make good ones nowadays so there is no excuse for puttin a shitty beat on your album

either way if you dont have the complete package your gettin downloaded so ... STEP IT UP
I can't agree with the statement that good beats are easier to make these days. First, the software has allowed for virtually everybody to become a beatmaker, however it has also been one of the major causes for the connection between hip-hop and actual music (you know, the type of thing where somebody who knows how to play the instruments spends time in the studio creating something) to be lost.

From a purely mathematical point of view, there isn't an infinite number of beats one can make (although there is a very large number), and certainly only a small portion of those are good, so with each year fewer and fewer of the possible good beats remain "undiscovered". You can postpone the "depletion" moment with advances in instrumentation and by creating new sounds, but it is inevitable that with time, it will be increasingly harder to make truly new music. This is especially true for hip-hop which is relies on relatively simple patterns most of the time.

Anyway, the synthetic, computer-generated sound that dominates hip-hop now is much more prone to the "depletion of ideas" problem than playing actual music. Which is evident by the thousands of albums full of the same-sounding shitty beats