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ESCOBAR 92113 said:
youre right, i think the problem the raiders run into here is that there is too much attention needed on the offensive side of the ball. i think they should trade down, get a couple extra picks and stock pile.....

this is what I have been saying for 3 months now!

It's funny how this article comes up and says everything we "russel haters" been saying and now the writer don't know shit either....lol

Just like Lane said in the article...how many times can you throw a 70 yarder in agame?....especially with the crap o-lne and the rookie getting blitzed often.


but we're just hating!
 

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It's not about him throwing the ball 70 yards. It's his "ability" to... which makes defenses have to honor that fact. The safeties will have to play deep... if not then guess what happens?

I am not calling everyone that doesn't agree with the Raiders drafting Russell a hater. But there are a few of you who don't want to see the Raiders draft a franchise qb and start winning. Check this article out. It's kind of long... but anyway here it go...
 

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/01/SPGS3OUR0H11.DTL

Tom Martinez knows better. He knows that an arm does not make a quarterback. He knows that Tom Brady, his most famous protégé, won three Super Bowls because he respects the finer points of the job. And he knows that a quarterback should never, ever be asked to roll to one side of the field and then throw to the other. It's inefficient, mechanically unsound, such a scandalous misuse of momentum that a 10th-grade physics student would flag the play.

But Martinez couldn't help himself. JaMarcus Russell's arm is that seductive.

When it came time to create a list of plays for Russell to run in front of dozens of NFL scouts and executives last month, Martinez went with the taboo as their grand finale. Russell rolled right, and his receiver broke that way, too, before switching direction.

"JaMarcus threw it 70 yards and completed it," Martinez said. "It was unbelievable, unbelievable. You could hear this "Ahhhh" coming from all the NFL people."

He wore a mischievous grin when he described the play, still exhilarated that Russell could do something so wrong so right. In his 32 years as a coach at the College of San Mateo and endless summers tutoring quarterbacks at football camps, Martinez has worked with some of the biggest names in the business -- John Elway, future Heisman winner Gino Torretta, USC's Rob Johnson and Brady, who attended his first Martinez camp at age 13 and still calls on him for help with his mechanics. New Englanders view Martinez as something of a wizard.

But the coach has never seen anyone quite like the 21-year-old favorite to become the No. 1 pick in this month's NFL draft or done anything like the prep work that he performed for Russell.

"This thing was very good for me, it was uplifting," said Martinez, 62, who recently went into semi-retirement because three decades of nonstop coaching had worn away at his heart.

The pair worked together for two one-week training sessions and then met up again in Baton Rouge, La., for Russell's "pro day," the NFL draft's equivalent of walking the red carpet. Hired by Russell's agents, Martinez became, for want of a better term, the quarterback's throwing stylist.

At Athletes' Performance, a specialized training camp in Tempe, Ariz., Martinez joined a team grooming Russell to take his place atop the draft. The chief competition, Brady Quinn of Notre Dame, is more polished and experienced than Russell, with four years as a college starter as opposed to two, yet he showed up in Tempe for some buffing of his own.

"They never threw at the same time," Martinez said. "Brady Quinn would throw in the morning and JaMarcus would throw in the afternoon. There was a little bit of competition there."

Russell's size makes him both alluring and unnerving, creating doubts about his agility. He can probably absorb a hit very well, but will he lumber around in the pocket, unable to keep up with the speed of the NFL game? At 6-foot-6, he looks more like a tight end than a quarterback, and he reportedly carried as much as 265 pounds when he led LSU past Quinn's Irish in the Sugar Bowl. His fitness advisers in Arizona peeled close to 10 pounds off him, revealing a sleeker model. Martinez immediately went to work on Russell's feet.

On their first day together, Martinez measured the distance Russell covered in a three-step drop. "The first time he did it, it was 41/3 yards," Martinez said, "and in 45 minutes, we had him dropping back 7 yards in the same amount of time."

Among other things, he adjusted Russell's hand position after the snap, giving him more balance and leverage on the drop. The next day, he showed a videotape of the session to Russell, increasing the quarterback's confidence in what they had achieved.

By the time they were done with their training, Russell's footwork was strong enough that Martinez wanted to showcase it on "pro day."

In fact, he wanted to put all of Russell's presumed weaknesses on display. Agents create scripts for these events, and they are usually written to obscure areas of doubt. Martinez reasoned that the scouts and coaches would eventually, in private workouts, ask Russell to perform drills that emphasized perceived shortcomings. He wanted the script to answer the big questions, to assure the scouts that Russell had nothing to hide.

The Raiders, current owners of the top pick, recently invited Martinez for what was reported to be an interview to become the team's quarterbacks coach. Martinez read it more as "a chance to exchange information," and he filled them in on what he had learned about Russell.

Russell's soft-spoken personality? "He's very quiet, very respectful," Martinez said, "He doesn't say much, but he's always taking things in. You can see him sizing things up and figuring people out."

Russell's background? Martinez believes that any NFL executive who meets with Russell's relatives will gain confidence in the decision to draft him. "He has a very grounded family," Martinez said. "They're all squared away. They're not buying into the fanfare around this."

The other information he would like to impart would apply to any 21-year-old. Russell needs stability, continuity on the coaching staff. Martinez once heard Jim Plunkett describe a harrowing period in his career when the quarterbacks coach changed four times in four years. He doesn't want one of the most prodigious talents the game has ever seen to be squandered.

Martinez has seen all of Russell's flaws up close, and he still finds himself amazed. He says that Russell, fulfilling a typical scout's request, can stand flat-footed at the goal line and, without moving his body for the necessary torque, throw a ball 77 yards downfield.

He can also sit at the opponent's 40-yard line and throw a ball through the uprights of the goalpost. Cal's Kyle Boller once asserted that he could throw the same pass from the 50 while on his knees. But Russell does it on his backside, relying entirely on his arm. Martinez fondly calls this maneuver "the butt throw."

Martinez is a technical wizard, so he probably shouldn't be so impressed. But he can't help himself. Two weeks as JaMarcus Russell's coach turned him into a fan.
 
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Again Tony!

That article misses something VERY IMPORTANT.

NO pass rush and no defenders!~

It's his "ability" to... which makes defenses have to honor that fact. The safeties will have to play deep... if not then guess what happens?


please wait until he folds under the blitzes..he will have np time to get the ball deep, nor will his wr's have time to get deep AND open!
 
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Plummer could throw the ball almost 70 yards too actually!

but is inability to reasd some defense and blitzes hurt him...and this is a qb with pro experience and a decent o-line!
 

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Are you seriously comparing Jake Plummer to JaMarcus Russell?

I thought Plummer had a weak arm that's why Shanny drafted Cutler. But anyway.... we'll see what happens. Blitzes can be countered...

I think the Raiders maybe implementing some sort of West Coast offense... hence: the hiring of Gregg Knapp....
 
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No I am not comparing Plummer to Russel...I am saying that it doesn't matter how could of an arm you have you still need to have an o-line and a running game to help you out, and Raiders have niether.
 

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The Raiders have signed two linemen so far this offseason and they've also signed two running backs. Justin Griffith or Griffin from Atlanta and Dominic Rhodes (who didn't look too bad running through Chicago's defense in the SuperBowl). We'll see what happens!