Is this Economically Possible?

[BOOBOO619]

For all you economic gurus and what not, I just want to know if this thought is possible? I have no freaking clue, but I've been thinking about it considering how things are. I'm sure it's been thought of, that's why I ain't calling it an idea.

Anyways, I just want to know if it's possible to shorten the average day of a typical worker to 4hrs. instead of 8hrs. Basically cut full time 40hr workers to 20hrs a week. As a matter of fact, everyone gets their hours cut in half and wages cut in half. Your making 20 an hour, your now making 10.

Reason being, that way we have more freetime to do stuff, shop, be with family, etc... Wouldn't more freetime, allow us to go out and spend more to help the economy? Not to mention, lower stress from so much work. Wouldn't it also create more jobs because to fill a normal 1 person's 8 hours of work, you'll need 2workers now? So essentially, it doubles the work place.

Only issues I see, is that the rest of the economy, would have to cut prices in half to compensate for the lower wages. So instead of gas being $2.00 a Gal, it would have to be $1.00. Instead of paying $20,000 for a car, it now costs $10,000.

So is this possible? Basically I'm talking about an entire change in the way things are economically of course, but mainly a whole entire social change of life. It would change a lot.

 

[Az-iz]

Oh my god are you high????

 

[DubbC415]

dude fuck all that, they should just print more money

















its my idea! dont you fucking steal it

 

[Nuttkase]

Take an economics course or two and then get back to us.

Things just aren't that easy my friend lol.

 

[BOOBOO619]

Oh my god are you high????

No, I'm just trying to think outside the box. My whole thought, why the fuck do we work 8hours? Who created the idea of 8 hours? Why the fuck have we been following this same grid, pattern, whatever the fuck for so long? Why not 4hours, cut wage in half also. But just compensate with the economy as a whole by cutting everything in half as well. Essentially, it's the same shit as now interms of how we perceive money, expect we work less hours a day. Our money would still be able to buy the same stuff we do today if the economy as a whole adapts. Except it also creates more jobs too. Employers will need to employ one extra person for 4hours to fill that normal 8 hour shift. Basically it's like dumbing down our standards of conventional work or just the social thought of working more to make more, to enjoy more freetime, but at the same time, still make the same amount of money, because the economy as a whole will change with it so we still have purchasing power with the lil amounts we do have.

 

[BOOBOO619]

Take an economics course or two and then get back to us.

Things just aren't that easy my friend lol.

Sure, but my friend, aren't those greedy fucks at Walstreet and so-called smart people out there the ones that got us into this economic mess in the first place? So who the fuck do you trust then, if those economic fucks can't even get it right? I think it just goes to show that our economic structure is still not the best. It can be tweaked and changed.

 

[thatguy]

cutting wages and prices is counterproductive, it makes no sense.

 

[BOOBOO619]

cutting wages and prices is counterproductive, it makes no sense.

I see, but your employing once extra person per every person. So the job itself can still get down. To currently fill one man's 8 hour shift, you need 2 people. Everyone gets a piece of the pie in other words. But inorder for each person to still be able to buy something with the lil money they do make, prices have to come down in half to compensate.

 

[XxtraMannish]

Take an economics course or two and then get back to us.

Things just aren't that easy my friend lol.

BUT ITS EASY FOR YOU TO BE WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[p.ellz]

Ur fucking retarded. End ur life. If places of buisness was open half the time who the fuck wuld be running it the rest of the time for people to spend money there? And what money wuld be spending if they maken half as much?


On a related note, we have a fuel shortage worldwide...why the fuck is it so cheap (not that I'm complaining).

 

[BOOBOO619]

Ur fucking retarded. End ur life. If places of buisness was open half the time who the fuck wuld be running it the rest of the time for people to spend money there? And what money wuld be spending if they maken half as much?


On a related note, we have a fuel shortage worldwide...why the fuck is it so cheap (not that I'm complaining).

I never said, cut business hours in half. That's not what I'm saying. Sure you go home earily, but employers need more people to fill that gap.

 

[Legman]

Ur fucking retarded. End ur life. If places of buisness was open half the time who the fuck wuld be running it the rest of the time for people to spend money there? And what money wuld be spending if they maken half as much?


On a related note, we have a fuel shortage worldwide...why the fuck is it so cheap (not that I'm complaining).

Your Fuckin Retarded

Hes Sayin What If Everything Got Cut In Half, As In Works Hours...Like Instead Of One Guy Runnin "The Store" For 8 Hours, Its 2 Guys Runnin It In 2 Shifts (One Guy Does 4 Hours, Then The Other Dude Does The Last 4)

And We Dont Have A Fuel Shortage, We Had 2 Hurricanes That Hit The Gulf Coast And Slowed Production, Thats Why It Got Hella Expensive...Now That Demand Is Down And Production Is Back To Normal, We Have Overstock, With Low Demand, Which Leads to Cheaper Prices...

You Really Need To Read Threads Alot Better Before You Reply

And By The Way Booboo, That Wouldnt Fix Shit Honestly, It Would Be Exactly The Same, Except We Would Be Dealin With Smaller Numbers Across The Board

 

[BOOBOO619]

If anyone can answer this question, this is the easiest way I can explain what I'm trying to say...



How can you cut the number of hours we work a day in half, but still have the same exact purchasing power we have right now?

 

[Legman]

If anyone can answer this question, this is the easiest way I can explain what I'm trying to say...



How can you cut the number of hours we work a day in half, but still have the same exact purchasing power we have right now?

Hire More People, And Cut Hours...But All That Does Is Fuck The Worker...Is That What You Want? Less Hours At Work? A Smaller Pay Check?

 

[BOOBOO619]

And By The Way Booboo, That Wouldnt Fix Shit Honestly, It Would Be Exactly The Same, Except We Would Be Dealin With Smaller Numbers Across The Board

Sure, but we have more FREETIME. Wouldn't we? Perhaps more freetime to go out and purchase shit. Less stress also.


I'm not exactly talking about a fix, just an entire change socially. So what I'm talking about goes deeper as well, psychology type of shit. We are psychology accustomed to working more, to make more. We are all accustomed to working 40hrs. But the question is why?

How can we make shit smaller like your saying, so we have that extra free time, but at the same time still have the same exact purchasing power we do today?

 

[BOOBOO619]

Hire More People, And Cut Hours...But All That Does Is Fuck The Worker...Is That What You Want? Less Hours At Work? A Smaller Pay Check?

No, but the economy as a whole adjusts to the cuts to compensate so you still have purchasing power with what seems like lil money.

If you make 4,000 a month now, you now make 2,000, but you can still buy that 20,000 car, because it's now worth 10,000.

 

[BOOBOO619]

Check this out, I did a lil research on WIKI.

The 8-hour day movement or 40-hour week movement (a.k.a. the Short-time movement) had its origins in the Industrial Revolution in Britain, where industrial production in large factories transformed working life and imposed long hours and poor working conditions. With working conditions unregulated, the health, welfare and morale of working people suffered. The exploitation of child labour was common. The working day could range from 10 hours up to 16 hours for six days a week.[1] [2]


Robert Owen had raised the demand for a ten-hour day as early as 1810, and instituted it in his socialist enterprise at New Lanark. As early as 1817 he had formulated the goal of the eight-hour day and coined the slogan Eight hours labour, Eight hours recreation, Eight hours rest. Women and children in England were granted the ten-hour day in 1847. French workers won the twelve-hour day after the February revolution of 1848. A shorter working day and improved working conditions was part of the general protests and agitation for Chartist reforms, and the early organization of trade unions.

The International Workingmen's Association took up the demand for an eight-hour day at its convention in Geneva in August 1866 declaring The legal limitation of the working day is a preliminary condition without which all further attempts at improvements and emancipation of the working class must prove abortive and The Congress proposes eight hours as the legal limit of the working day.

Although there were initial successes in achieving an eight-hour day in New Zealand and by the Australian labour movement for skilled workers in the 1840s and 1850s, most employed people had to wait to the early and mid twentieth century for the condition to be widely achieved through the industrialized world through legislative action.

The Eight hour day movement forms part of the early history for the celebration of Labour Day, and May Day in many nations and cultures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_hour_day


So it's basically just a chosen number because it was used to cut extra long hours of abusive work. Sure, great, but it's still a chosen random number. Eight hours labour, Eight hours recreation, Eight hours rest. That sounds like a chosen number to me because it fits with the 24hr day schedule. It fits with the psychological idea that we need 8 hours recreation and 8 hours sleep. It could have been 9, it could have been 7, it could have been 6. So it was chosen and the rest of the economies of the world, built around it. Sure, great again, but is it correct and the only choice we have? Because one society created it, does that make it the best foundation to set for the rest of the world?

So why not 4hrs and hire more workers to fill the gaps and structure the economy around that, just like they did back in the days with 8hrs? What I'm saying creates more work for everyone because you need more workers to fill the day and in the end creates more freetime. Perhaps back then they didn't have the population to fill that need, health, trust or there was certain unfairness like slavery or prejudices like women not allowed to do the same work they do today, but today is way different culturally.

 

[BOOBOO619]

It would require a global agreement. The entire world perception of money would have to shrink, inorder to compensate with cut time. I think there's some psychology/sociology involved. So I think it goes deeper with how we perceive things. We just keep accepting the way things are because that's just the way things have been for so long. We work 40hrs a week, 8hrs a day because society tells us we need to inorder to afford that home or car, that piece of food, that TV,etc... based on how our current economic structure is built.

 

[BOOBOO619]

Someone tell me why what I'm saying is not possible. Tell me why we have to continue living our lives on the same patterns. Why are we programmed to work 8hr days? Explain why, and tell me why it'll always be 8 forever. If you disagree with my philosophy, then that means you accept 8 forever, right? 9-5 forever?

 

[Az-iz]

First of all your theory of cutting the eight hour shift to four hours would make a person making 4k a month make 2k. Then you said you wanted to slash their wages in half so they would only be making 1k a month. So we all just got super fucked based on your proposition. The altered work week I can deal with, in European countries and others they work less hours and research has shown they have the same productivity. No argument there.The problem is you are blending simple economic principles with complex economic principles and it does not wash. You are arguing a form of socialism or even communism which also have flaws. Amerikkka is based on Lase Faire I know i spelled that wrong. You are attempting to adjust the basic principle that this greedy fuck everybody country was made on. What Bush is pushing with these bailouts goes against the system too, but he is still instilling Reagonomics and the Trickle Down Effect. Don't help the common person help the big businesses who will then in turn help the common person. Let's start with some basic shit like health care. Every person should get health care. Poor people get it free and rich people can afford it. Working class families are getting fucked left and right. Then there are wage differences in Amerikkka so how are you going to slash prices so that the lowest wage earners in your system can still afford basic shit? How are you going to account for inflation. Are you going to make China slash their imports so we can afford them? Or are you going to make us a third world country so the businesses will move back to Amerikka and pay us 5 cents and hour for four hours? Then we can spend more time with our kids but can't feed them. What is your assumption for how currency is negotiated or valued? Why is amerikkkas dollar so weak? How is your system going to account for that? I am not an economist by any means but your Utopia aint that Utopian.