God will heal her.....now shes dead!!!!

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JLMACN

JLMACN

JLMACN
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WTF are these parents thinking???

i hope they get years in prison..

Church whose faith healing practices counter Biblical teachings on the subject. The church's doctrines and practices on this issue constitute a form of spiritual abuse.

The problem with this church's approach is evident from these news items (see additional reports in the news articles database):

A couple whose 13-year-old daughter died from diabetes and gangrene after they refused to allow medical treatment, citing their religious beliefs, were sentenced to 20 years probation.

A judge Thursday spared Colleen and Randy Bates prison time but ordered them to provide medical insurance for their remaining 12 children and have the children see doctors whenever necessary.

Mesa District Court Judge Amanda Bailey also ordered the parents to each do 1,300 hours of community service, 100 hours for each year of their daughter Amanda's life.
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Amanda's death led to changes in Colorado law to make it easier to prosecute parents who withhold medical treatment from their children. The Legislature in March passed a bill that removed a religious exemption from the felony child-abuse statutes.
Source: Colorado Couple Sentenced to Probation, AP, Nov. 9, 2001


In a courtroom packed with members of their church, a couple whose daughter died because they relied on prayer instead of medical help were sentenced Thursday to 20 years' probation.

Colleen and Randy Bates, members of the General Assembly and Church of the First Born, escaped jail time in large part because of the need to care for their 12 children, District Judge Amanda Bailey said.

Bailey also ordered a strict schedule of home visits by county nurses who are to monitor the health of the children, a first-aid course for the parents and 1,300 hours of community service for each parent.
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Mesa County District Attorney Frank Daniels had sought 90 days of jail time for each of the Bateses, but he ultimately agreed to the unusually long probation term and medical safeguards for the children.

Daniels said he has grown weary of child deaths connected to members of the Church of the First Born.

''Their church believes in faith healing, to call for the elders if anyone is sick,'' Daniels said. ''We've lost three children from this small church in the last three years. In each case, 911 wasn't called until the child was dead.''
Source: Pair get probation for death, Denver Rocky Mountain News, Nov. 9, 2001


Amanda Bates' death of complications from diabetes last week has been classified a homicide because the 13-year-old died as a direct result of medical treatment being withheld by her parents.

The determination Monday by the Mesa County coroner, Dr. Rob Kurtzman, opens the door to the possible prosecution of her parents, Randy and Colleen Bates, and other members of General Assembly Church of the First Born, a centuries-old Christian sect that does not believe in medical treatments. A homicide is when a person directly or indirectly causes the death of another person.
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Source: Infection death ruled homicide, Denver Post, Feb. 13, 2001


For the third time in two years, Mesa County authorities are investigating the death of a child whose parents belong to a church that believes illnesses and injuries should be treated with prayer rather than medical care. Amanda Bates, 13, is the latest child of members of the General Assembly Church of the First Born to die after medical care apparently was withheld for a life-threatening illness.
Source: Death of teen in sect probed, Denver Post, Feb. 7, 2001


Authorities were investigating the death of a 2-day-old boy whose parents belong to a religious group that does not believe in medical intervention for illnesses.

It was the second time in less than two years that a child has died in the care of parents who are members of General Assembly Church of the First Born. Six other children in the church have died after medical treatment was withheld.
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Colorado authorities probe latest death in church opposed to medical care, CNN/AP, July 22, 2000
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In Aug. 2003, the church was in the news again:

A Johnson County infant less than 2 days old died Tuesday at her parents’ home of a treatable infection, after her parents failed to seek medical treatment during or following her birth.

Parents of Rhiana Rose Schmidt, the deceased infant, are members of a Morgantown-area church that advocates faith healing instead of medical intervention.

The Johnson County Sheriff’s Department and the county coroner are investigating the death. Preliminary autopsy reports show the girl died of puerperal sepsis, a general infection acquired at birth and typically treated with antibiotics.

The infant’s death was the third such death involving untreated children at the General Assembly and Church of the Firstborn.
Source: Infant dies after parents reject aid, The Daily Journal (USA), Aug. 23, 2003
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JLMACN

JLMACN

JLMACN
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im not sure i found the right link..
actually im pretty sure i didnt..

but basically i was watching CNN news..
and they were talking about this couple..who's daughter was real sick..
and instead of getting her the medical attention she needed ..
the church said they could heal her by praying for her.
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so now the girls dead.
.and the parents are going to trial for murder basically...

they deserve it..

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I AM

I AM

Some Random Asshole
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That's what you get from the religious fanatics. They don't have a concept of reality, sometimes. In this case they were fucking RETARDED, but that's just my opinion. They should honestly be given a little bit of time in jail to maybe help them realize how stupid they fucking are. Population control is a mother fucker though, lol...
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

Sicc OG
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There are tons of examples of Christian scientists, or their helpless children dying from simple illnesses, like a fever, etc.. What’s really a fucking scam is that instead of going to a regular doctor who proscribes medicine or whatever when one is ill, Christian scientists actually PAY MONEY to what they call “C.S Medical Practitioners” who in turn PRAY for the sick person. Let me say that again, they pay money for someone to pray for them to get better. And it's not cheap. Absolutely insane.

I know from first hand experience in dealing with these people for over two years (I used to sell special Long Term Care insurance marketed specifically to C.S.)
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

Sicc OG
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Because that’s the kind of person I am and I try to be a “good” person. What I mean by a good person is someone who makes a knowing effort to define their moral system on causing no harm to others and then honestly tries to live within that structure, which is what I try to do. What kind of person would I be (through my own eyes) if I stole from or cheated regular working class citizens? I wouldn’t want to live that way. On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem stealing from or cheating the upper class or large corporations. My morals are based on my personal views, not anyone else’s.
 
EDJ

EDJ

Sicc OG
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2-0-SIXX,

IT MIgHT JUST BE ME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO YOU AND WHEN ASKED WHY, IT'S THE SAME OLD ANSWER, YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS BASED ON.......YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS. YOU SAY YOU TRY TO BE A "gOOD" PERSON BY NOT CAUSIN' HARM, WHEN IN FACT THEY WANT YOU TO EXPLOIT THEM, BUT THEY DON'T PERCEIVE IT AS SUCH. SO IF THEY SAY THEY WANT IT, WHAT'S STOPPIN' YOU FROM gIVIN' IT TO THEM? THEY HAPPY, YOU'RE HAPPY. WHAT'S BOTHERIN' YOU? HOW DOES YOUR MORAL STRUCTURE DECIPHER SUCH? ON ONE HAND, YOU'RE INSULTIN' THEM, THINKIN' OF THEM AS THE DUMBEST AND WORST, ON THE OTHER, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HARM THEM, LIKE THEY WORTH SOMETHIN'. WTF?
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

Sicc OG
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EDJ said:
2-0-SIXX,

IT MIgHT JUST BE ME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO YOU AND WHEN ASKED WHY, IT'S THE SAME OLD ANSWER, YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS BASED ON.......YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS.
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That's exactly the case, my personal views. Just as your morals are based on your personal views.

YOU SAY YOU TRY TO BE A "gOOD" PERSON BY NOT CAUSIN' HARM, WHEN IN FACT THEY WANT YOU TO EXPLOIT THEM, BUT THEY DON'T PERCEIVE IT AS SUCH.
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They didnt see it as such probably because they were being lied to about their insurance policies. Not too mention I knew the ins and outs of the company I worked for and I knew that a lot of people weren't getting their insurance due to "technicalities", in other words, they were being fucked.

SO IF THEY SAY THEY WANT IT, WHAT'S STOPPIN' YOU FROM gIVIN' IT TO THEM?
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It’s called a conscience. I did not feel right exploiting the working class so I stopped doing it.

ON ONE HAND, YOU'RE INSULTIN' THEM, THINKIN' OF THEM AS THE DUMBEST AND WORST
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I never thought of them as the “dumbest” and the “worst”. Dumb, but definitely not the dumbest. In fact, as I have said in other threads, Christian Scientists in general were probably the nicest group of people I've ever dealt with in my life. I personally think their beliefs are dumb, but I don’t think any less of them. I think some of your beliefs are dumb (as I’m sure you may think some of mine are as well) but I still have the utmost respect for you and I wouldn’t want to harm or disrespect you in any way.
 
EDJ

EDJ

Sicc OG
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^I THANK YOU COMRADE, EVEN THOUgH YOU DID DISRESPECT INITIALLY ON THAT SMOKIN' THREAD. BUT NOT EVERY MORAL OF MINES IS BASED ON MY PERSONAL VIEWS. A LOT ARE FROM A HIgHER SOURCE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW OR WISH TO KNOW NOTHIN' OF THAT.
 
DubbC415

DubbC415

Mickey Fallon
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and i love when the media prints "surveys" or statistical reports of when "prayer" works on sick people. like, they'll have these reports that show how many people in the hospital, and sick, and prayed, and then that means that they got better because of it. as if the prayer alone was what helped them get better, not just being in a hospital.
 
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