Global Warming

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Sep 29, 2003
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havent really seen any threads around here for a while about this but....

I just watched an hour long documentary about this, its a very scary subject. They were saying how the polar ice caps melt and im gonna try to break it down as best i can....what happens is the sunlight gets reflected back into the atmosphere because the ice is so white. Since the ocean is dark (and heat is attracted to darker colors), the light gets absorbed by the dark ocean, which warms the temperature and causes ice to melt. Not only that, but the Co2 in our atmosphere also gets absorbed by the ocean and warms it up. Not only does it warm it up, but makes it more acidic, causing major destruction to the ecosystem (coral, plankton, and other sea ceatures)...

I'm curious what everybody's views are about this. Do you do anything to cut down on the amount of electricity or greenhouse gasses you use? Personally, i would ride a bike to work everyday if it was feasible but i work too far away from where i live...i try not to use drive thru anything, i try not to leave lights on for no reason and i use energy efficient light bulbs, and i use dimmer switches...

if everybody (not only simple civilians but governments and big business especially) practices simple ideas like these, we wont have to worry so much about Global Warming...I think we need leadership from Governments in the form of support, public ads and regulations; and maybe also by producing more fuel-efficient vehicles (i know imports are starting to) from the big companies such as Ford and GM, Dahmler-Chrysler......basically, less talk and more action...

some quick facts from the documentary:

-With a 5 metre rise in the atlantic ocean, Florida would be almost completely engulfed, and the skyscrapers of Miami would be 50 miles from the coastline of the USA..
-With a 5 metre rise in the Indian Ocean, Bangladesh (home to 120 million people) would be completely wiped off the face of the earth..


facts from websites:

(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html)
-The spring ice thaw in the Northern Hemisphere occurs 9 days earlier than it did 150 years ago, and the fall freeze now typically starts 10 days later
-The 1990s was the warmest decade since the mid-1800s, when record-keeping started. The hottest years recorded: 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, and 2003
-The multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ACIA) report recently concluded that in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia, average temperatures have increased as much as 4 to 7 degrees Fahrenheit (3 to 4 degrees Celsius) in the past 50 years. The rise is nearly twice the global average. In Barrow, Alaska (the U.S.'s northernmost city) average temperatures are up over 4 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5 to 3 degrees Celsius) in 30 years
-The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that global temperatures will rise an additional 3 to10 degrees Fahrenheit (1.6 to 5.5 degrees Celsius) by century's end.
-Rising temperatures have a dramatic impact on Arctic ice, which serves as a kind of "air conditioner" at the top of the world. Since 1978 Arctic sea ice area has shrunk by some 9 percent per decade, and thinned as well.
-Over the very long term, Greenland's massive ice sheet holds enough melt water to raise sea level by about 23 feet (about 7 meters). ACIA climate models project significant melting of the sheet throughout the 21st century.
-Studies show that many European plants now flower a week earlier than they did in the 1950s and also lose their leaves 5 days later.


(http://globalwarming.sdsu.edu/)

-Motor vehicles (cars, trucks, buses, and scooters) account for 80% of all transport-related energy use
-The global fleet of motor vehicles has been recently growing at the rate of 16,000,000 per year.
-The global fleet of motor vehicles is estimated at 830,000,000 (2006).
-The concentration of carbon dioxide has increased an average of about 1.8 ppm per year over the past two decades
-About 75% of the annual increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels. The remaining 25% is attributed to anthropogenic changes in land use, which have the effect of reducing the net uptake of carbon dioxide. Anthropogenic changes in land use occur when forests are converted to rangelands, rangelands to agriculture, and agriculture to urban areas


thoughts?
 

Y-S

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Dec 10, 2005
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Good picture, Nav

Well, some people are saying it's fake (lol), some are saying it's real, but in my thoughts I believe it's prolly real, but with all this situation earth is dealing with, doesn't mean everything will be completely dry in 1 year or in few months, so....I think we still have a lot of years ahead of us...to live and survive
 

Hemp

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its more than just global warming thats effecting the weather, solar flares where at their highest recorded which will affect the earth temp making it warmer. earths wobble stopped n formed a new pattern makin earth warmer. too many things goin on that will make the next 5 years pretty hectic.
even hurricane season is now goin for 30-40 years while the earths changes will also make the hurricanes more powerful
 
Aug 3, 2005
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im jus playin, i know its truth. i just think its a interesting response to the issue of global warming. you could say that about any problem in the world.
 
Nov 20, 2005
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i have a coworker who said "there is no such thing as global warming". and she still sticks to her comment to this day.

~k.
 
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Y-S said:
Good picture, Nav

Well, some people are saying it's fake (lol), some are saying it's real, but in my thoughts I believe it's prolly real, but with all this situation earth is dealing with, doesn't mean everything will be completely dry in 1 year or in few months, so....I think we still have a lot of years ahead of us...to live and survive
yes, the possibilities in my post are to take place over a period of 20-100 years, but they have already started....the arguement that Global Warming is fake is LAUGHABLE....ignorance is bliss......my point is that with the world going to shit like it is, u hafta think twice about bringing children into the world. i dont want my child to have to deal with problems that we are dealing with now (global warming, deforestation, pollution, wars, starvation, overpopulation.. etc) because they are getting exponentially worse with each year that passes....i understand that is nature's way of population control, but its getting worse and worse and everyone in the world will feel these effects more and more in the years to come

Hemp said:
even hurricane season is now goin for 30-40 years while the earths changes will also make the hurricanes more powerful

the hurricanes, typhoons, and cyclones we see today are barely 1/4 of what we will see in the next decade...
 
Mar 9, 2005
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thug_lov said:
just live your life cause one day we goto go
He's got a point, and no offense but it's a stupid fucking point.

It's comments like these which have put us into such a bind to start with. 'Think for today because you're not promised tomorrow' - what about your children? Even if you don't have children, do you really want to destroy the world so it's uninhabitable for the human species?

Global warming is most definitely real. In fact, out of every topic discussed by scientists over the past few centuries, this one is amazing in that almost EVERY SINGLE scientist share the same consensus - that the world is getting hotter and it's because of human activities. The only people who disagree and argue to the contrary are the big oil companies and their puppets (the government and the media).

Last year, there was a study performed whereby scientists analyzed peer-reviewed journal papers concerning global warming to see what their conclusions were. Out of 928 papers studied, guess how many concluded that humans were NOT involved in increased global climate temperatures? NONE.

In it's most recent report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) wrote: "Human activities... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... Most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gasses". The American Meterological Society, The American Geophysical Union, The American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Academy of Science have all issued statements of a similar nature - essentially that humans are the cause of global warming. It's only the popular media that tells us we 'might not be' responsible.

Fact:

100% of scientific studies show that the world is getting hotter and that humans are the most likely cause of this global temperature increase.
50% of media support this scientific consensus whereas 50% disagrees.

Big business and the government are trying to brainwash the American people into thinking that it's not a big problem. Every reputable scientists who has studied the topic knows otherwise. Wake up people!!!!!!!
 

Y-S

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Also, I believe we do have high technology to improve the Earth's system, and only few out there are trying to improve it while others with a huge amount of money are spending it on wars, military supplies/equipments, etc.

Oh, it's really weird to see so many humans beefing with each other that leads to death situations....
 
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MaKaVeLi_420 said:
I'm curious what everybody's views are about this. Do you do anything to cut down on the amount of electricity or greenhouse gasses you use? Personally, i would ride a bike to work everyday if it was feasible but i work too far away from where i live...i try not to use drive thru anything, i try not to leave lights on for no reason and i use energy efficient light bulbs, and i use dimmer switches...
I try to do what I can, although I could definitely do more; I

Use energy efficient Compact Fluorescent Lights (CFLs);
Catch public transport or ride my bike most of the time;
Subscribe to TXU (my energy companies) 'Go Green' plan, whereby I get my energy from 100% renewable energy sources (mainly wind and biothermal) - they charge a 20% premium, I don't mind though;
Never use plastic bags for groceries - just a few cotton/calico bags;
Use a single non-toxic plastic bottle to transport water (I used to buy a bottle of spring water from shops whenever I felt thirsty);
Buy organic and biodynamic foods (sustainable agriculture without the use of pesticides and hormones - tastes better and is better for the environment);
Basic recycling and conservation of energy (e.g. turning off lights when I'm not in the room).

I would really like to become self-sufficient with regards to power (install my own photovoltaic system), but they're too expensive for now. I have to wait until nano-solar goes international and sells their stuff in Australia for cheap. Also, I want to install some water tanks so we can catch more rain and become less dependent on catchments for our water and eventually buy a hybrid car (when I can afford it).

Companies are starting to get involved. Many of them are working with a company called the 'Rocky Mountain Institute' to develop cleaner technologies. As I've stated in previous posts, Walmart is putting $500 Million per year into decreasing the fuel required for transportation by 25%, installing solar panelling on new Walmart stores, developing less toxic and more biodegradeable packaging for many of it's products etc. Nike are replacing their inorganic solvents with water based adhesives, phasing out PVCs, incorporating more cotton into their products and sourcing more materials locally thereby cutting back on transport emissions. Even IKEA are phasing out the use of carcinogenic solvents and varnishes, and Richard Bransons donation (through his company 'Virgin') of $3 Billion dollars over the next 10 years into combating global climate change is brilliant.
 
Sep 29, 2003
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Hutch said:
He's got a point, and no offense but it's a stupid fucking point.

It's comments like these which have put us into such a bind to start with. 'Think for today because you're not promised tomorrow' - what about your children? Even if you don't have children, do you really want to destroy the world so it's uninhabitable for the human species?

Global warming is most definitely real. In fact, out of every topic discussed by scientists over the past few centuries, this one is amazing in that almost EVERY SINGLE scientist share the same consensus - that the world is getting hotter and it's because of human activities. The only people who disagree and argue to the contrary are the big oil companies and their puppets (the government and the media).

Last year, there was a study performed whereby scientists analyzed peer-reviewed journal papers concerning global warming to see what their conclusions were. Out of 928 papers studied, guess how many concluded that humans were NOT involved in increased global climate temperatures? NONE.

In it's most recent report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) wrote: "Human activities... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... Most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gasses". The American Meterological Society, The American Geophysical Union, The American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Academy of Science have all issued statements of a similar nature - essentially that humans are the cause of global warming. It's only the popular media that tells us we 'might not be' responsible.

Fact:

100% of scientific studies show that the world is getting hotter and that humans are the most likely cause of this global temperature increase.
50% of media support this scientific consensus whereas 50% disagrees.

Big business and the government are trying to brainwash the American people into thinking that it's not a big problem. Every reputable scientists who has studied the topic knows otherwise. Wake up people!!!!!!!

nice post, where i emphasised the bold letters is what i mean when i said that we need the governments and big businesses to take the lead. Canada had signed the Kyoto Accord, and now that we have a new government in place and a new leader, we arent abiding by it anymore because the leader we have is from Alberta (and Alberta has enough oil to support the whole world for 400 years alone)
 
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Hutch said:
I try to do what I can, although I could definitely do more; I

Use energy efficient Compact Fluorescent Lights (CFLs);
Catch public transport or ride my bike most of the time;
Subscribe to TXU (my energy companies) 'Go Green' plan, whereby I get my energy from 100% renewable energy sources (mainly wind and biothermal) - they charge a 20% premium, I don't mind though;
Never use plastic bags for groceries - just a few cotton/calico bags;
Use a single non-toxic plastic bottle to transport water (I used to buy a bottle of spring water from shops whenever I felt thirsty);
Buy organic and biodynamic foods (sustainable agriculture without the use of pesticides and hormones - tastes better and is better for the environment);
Basic recycling and conservation of energy (e.g. turning off lights when I'm not in the room).

I would really like to become self-sufficient with regards to power (install my own photovoltaic system), but they're too expensive for now. I have to wait until nano-solar goes international and sells their stuff in Australia for cheap. Also, I want to install some water tanks so we can catch more rain and become less dependent on catchments for our water and eventually buy a hybrid car (when I can afford it).

Companies are starting to get involved. Many of them are working with a company called the 'Rocky Mountain Institute' to develop cleaner technologies. As I've stated in previous posts, Walmart is putting $500 Million per year into decreasing the fuel required for transportation by 25%, installing solar panelling on new Walmart stores, developing less toxic and more biodegradeable packaging for many of it's products etc. Nike are replacing their inorganic solvents with water based adhesives, phasing out PVCs, incorporating more cotton into their products and sourcing more materials locally thereby cutting back on transport emissions. Even IKEA are phasing out the use of carcinogenic solvents and varnishes, and Richard Bransons donation (through his company 'Virgin') of $3 Billion dollars over the next 10 years into combating global climate change is brilliant.

nice post.

almost everything we do takes a huge toll on the environment. using electricity (watchin TV, browsin on the PC, cooking, using lights in our houses, running alarm clocks, dishwasher, washer and dryer for clothing) burns greenhouse gasses such as coal and oil. That doesnt count driving our cars, or heating our houses, or transporting stuff in trucks which is diesel fuels, (which probably account for the most greenhouse gasses released, i mean think about how many trucks are driving on the road at any given time in the world. they run 24/7, and truck drivers rarely turn the engines off, even when they sleep) and even our garbage goes to the dump and decomposes, getting hot, and releasing Co2 into the atmosphere (also contributing to global warming).

China has plans to build a coal plant every week for the next 7 years. They are soon to be the highest consumers of oil (and contributers of greenhouse gasses such as coal and oil) in the world, edging out the entire Western Hemisphere. That is disgusting news.


Y-S said:
Also, I believe we do have high technology to improve the Earth's system, and only few out there are trying to improve it while others with a huge amount of money are spending it on wars, military supplies/equipments, etc.
we have had technology such as this since the 50s. i cant remember the guy but he came out with a super safe, super fuel efficient car way back in the day and the government sued him and banned his car from ever being produced because they didnt want everybody buying his car (he even invented the light in the front that moves when u turn corners. this is where Lexus got the idea...). also, i read somewhere (maybe on the siccness) about that guy who invented an extremely efficient power plant in the early 1900's....once again, banned by the government......