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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court stepped into a dispute over free speech Friday involving a suspended high school student and his banner that proclaimed "Bong Hits 4 Jesus."
The justices agreed to hear the appeal by the Juneau, Alaska, school board and principal Deborah Morse of a lower court ruling that allowed the student's civil rights lawsuit to proceed. The school board hired former Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr to argue its case to the high court.

Morse suspended Frederick after he displayed the banner, with its reference to marijuana use, when the Olympic torch passed through Juneau in 2002 on its way to the Winter Games in Salt Lake City.

Frederick, then a senior, was off school property when he hoisted the banner but was suspended for violating the school's policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event.

The school board upheld the suspension, and a federal judge initially dismissed Frederick's lawsuit. The 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals said the banner was vague and nonsensical and Frederick's civil rights had been violated.

At that point, the school board retained Starr, who investigated President Clinton's relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. He took the case free of charge.

The appeals court said that even if the banner could be construed as a positive message about marijuana use, the school could not punish or censor a student's speech because it promotes a social message contrary to one the school favors.

Frederick said his motivation for unfurling the banner, at least 14 feet long, was simple: He wanted it seen on television since the torch relay event was being covered by local stations. When Morse saw it, she crossed the street from the school, grabbed the banner and crumpled it. She later suspended Frederick for 10 days.

Morse still works for the Juneau school system but is no longer the high school principal. Frederick is a student at the University of Idaho.

The court is expected to hear arguments in the case in late February. In addition to the First Amendment issue, the court also will consider whether Morse can be held personally liable for monetary damages.

The appeals panel said she could be held liable because she admitted to being aware of the pertinent case law regarding student rights. The court said the law was clear and Morse was aware of it when she punished Frederick.

The case is Juneau School Board v. Frederick, 06-278.
 
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HERESY said:
Many of the members here HATE free speech, yet they would probably endorse this kid even though he is advocating controlled substance use in a school environment.
In a high school, I'm sure everyone knows what a bong is and they won't go out and start smoking pot just because some guy made a sign like that. I don't believe in censoring anything except for a few exceptions, but drug-related things aren't one of them. Just listen to a rap cd or watch television and you'll get more advocations for drinking and doing drugs than a sign some high school kid made.
 

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Yea I didn't wanna post this in the open forum cause, honestly, people start dumb arguments and "name-calling", you know....
 

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Just listen to a rap cd or watch television and you'll get more advocations for drinking and doing drugs than a sign some high school kid made.
You usually listen to rap cd's and watch tv outside of school. Why are you trying to compare the two?

I don't believe in censoring anything except for a few exceptions, but drug-related things aren't one of them.
You probably also support the use of illicit drugs, and probably want them legalized, so I can why would believe like that.

In a high school, I'm sure everyone knows what a bong is and they won't go out and start smoking pot just because some guy made a sign like that.
The bong hit could have been for tobacco products, but these are still illegal in a SCHOOL ENVRIONMENT. Everyone knows what FIRE is, but I'm sure people don't go yelling it out at schools when nothing is going on.

So according to you, students should be allowed to promote these things just because it is found in music and on tv? Students should be able to promote these things when they are illegal (drugs) or illegal until a person reaches a certain age (18 for tobacco)?
 
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It maybe free speesh, but schools are private institutions, even public schools. When i was in the publilc school system over 10 years ago, we had a small dress code--no "gang appearal", no drug paraphenalia (sp?) printed shirts, sweatshirts,etc., skirts must be appropriate as do halter and low cut tops....belts must be shorter than mid thigh, pants can be sagged to the point of showing underwear--of which I fought with everyday. Looking back, I coulda spent more time on studies than being a rebel.
 
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HERESY said:
You usually listen to rap cd's and watch tv outside of school. Why are you trying to compare the two?
There were TV's in my high school, and almost everyone took a CD walkman, though I'm sure people now all take Ipods. I'm comparing the two because they both have huge influence over young people.

HERESY said:
You probably also support the use of illicit drugs, and probably want them legalized, so I can why would believe like that.
Marijuana should be legalized, and that's the only "drug" that I believe should be legalized. I don't believe in censorship because school is supposed to prepare young people for the real world, what good is censoring it?

HERESY said:
The bong hit could have been for tobacco products, but these are still illegal in a SCHOOL ENVRIONMENT. Everyone knows what FIRE is, but I'm sure people don't go yelling it out at schools when nothing is going on.

So according to you, students should be allowed to promote these things just because it is found in music and on tv? Students should be able to promote these things when they are illegal (drugs) or illegal until a person reaches a certain age (18 for tobacco)?
I would understand of the kid had a bong on campus and was taking hits in the middle of the quad. But all he did was excersize his constitutional right for free speech and wrote something controversial. And the fact that these products are illegal doesn't stop most high school students from using them. Therefore, it is a part of their reality and they shouldn't be forced to sacrifice any part of their reality in what they've got to say.
 
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"Frederick, then a senior, was off school property when he hoisted the banner but was suspended for violating the school's policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event. "

I don't agree with being suspended while not being on school grounds.