Does The Northwest Ever Feel Disrespected By Cali?

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This may or maynot be a big deal to some of you up there but I'm just curious. I'm from Cali & love Cali but The Northwest iz still the West Coast & I don't think a lot of people out here show you guys that respect. The rest of the country surely don't but I think Cali as a whole should atleast recognize Oregon & Washington & even surrounding states around Cali as part of the West Coast. When people refer to the West Coast subconcously they are only talking California & that's it. Do the Northwest feel left out and/or disrespected & not have your local cats who have just as much talent as ours not be recognized & included in West Coast hip hop conversations?
 
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i dont feel like we're disrespected at all... just not recognized. Not too many people take the time to listen to what we have to offer... the cats who have been in it for a minute such as d-sane, 151, skunt, twin g, notes, etc. etc. do get respect from people in cali... it just takes more work around here to get any kind of recognition as is... cuz to be honest.... alot of people around here dont respect the local scene... so how can we expect other people to recognize/respect the work we do when we cant get our next door neighbor to realize it?

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i dont feel like we're disrespected at all... just not recognized. Not too many people take the time to listen to what we have to offer... the cats who have been in it for a minute such as d-sane, 151, skunt, twin g, notes, etc. etc. do get respect from people in cali... it just takes more work around here to get any kind of recognition as is... cuz to be honest.... alot of people around here dont respect the local scene... so how can we expect other people to recognize/respect the work we do when we cant get our next door neighbor to realize it?

pz
Damn...Well said homie!

I feel a little disrespect at times but mostly over ingnorant shit like we aint hard enough out here and we don't bang and throw down for real out here. Not that we need to be known for that but I lived in Cali too and it's all hood up and down the west coast! Just a lot more people in Cali.
But on a whole I think we just don't get noticed or get looked at like "fan" states or "consumers" but not actually part of the music! I guess!
haha

Let me think on it some more! Good thread though. I'm curious to see what people say!
 
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i'm from cali, and i never paid a bit of attention to anything in the NW, maybe heard a couple good tracks here and therebut thats about it. And i guarantee atleast 99% of the people i was around back home didn't pay any kind of attention either. When i moved to oregon i started getting a little more interested in this NW shit. Personally i wish i had been up on game a long time ago, theres some real good shit out here. I think nowadays i would rather pick up an album from the NW, rather than most of the stuff from CA. Maybe it could be a quantity to quality type of thing.
 
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This may or maynot be a big deal to some of you up there but I'm just curious. I'm from Cali & love Cali but The Northwest iz still the West Coast & I don't think a lot of people out here show you guys that respect. The rest of the country surely don't but I think Cali as a whole should atleast recognize Oregon & Washington & even surrounding states around Cali as part of the West Coast. When people refer to the West Coast subconcously they are only talking California & that's it. Do the Northwest feel left out and/or disrespected & not have your local cats who have just as much talent as ours not be recognized & included in West Coast hip hop conversations?
I doubt anyone really feels disrespected because no one is disrespecting us directly, cuz they don't recognize us as an industry. Cali as an industry fucks with us, but money talks half the time. A lot street shit happens between Cali and the northwest. Only people I know of that get some kinda of love from fans in cali are 151, Syko, Cool Nuts and the Blue Scholars. But the Blue Scholars get love everywhere they are one of the biggest groups on the westcoast.
 
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i'm from cali, and i never paid a bit of attention to anything in the NW, maybe heard a couple good tracks here and therebut thats about it. And i guarantee atleast 99% of the people i was around back home didn't pay any kind of attention either. When i moved to oregon i started getting a little more interested in this NW shit. Personally i wish i had been up on game a long time ago, theres some real good shit out here. I think nowadays i would rather pick up an album from the NW, rather than most of the stuff from CA. Maybe it could be a quantity to quality type of thing.
I feel you!
 
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Washington and Oregon combined have about 1/4 the population of California, so it's always going to be tough to crack that. If you look at African American population alone, Washington and Oregon combined have 1/9 the population of California. If you look at just Latinos, the gap is even wider. When people address these questions, I always take a demographic perspective, and for some reason, that seems to offend people.

I do think the whole "perception of hardness" thing matters. The white kids who buy rap music cds want to think that they're getting an authentic product that will give them a little glimpse into the hood. How accurate of a glimpse it is, that doesn't necessarily matter. But people won't buy rap music from places that they don't think are hard.

There are certain communities in California that just don't exist in the Northwest. We don't have places comparable to Compton, South Central LA or parts of Oakland and Vallejo. They just don't exist in the Northwest, and if they do, they are small pockets that stretch for a few miles at a time, not dozens. Historically, a very large chunk of the rap coming out of California comes from these communities. That being said, the Northwest has places very comparable to San Diego, San Francisco and Sacramento, but for whatever reason, lots and lots of rappers have come out of those cities. More and more though, the rap from California is coming out of places that aren't hard whatsoever, this guy Cashis from Irvine CA, don't get me started on that. So I think demographics has something to do with it to a point, but it's obviously not the only reason.

Still though, you would've thought that maybe for every 10 rappers from California that make it, 1 from the Northwest would have.
 
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^^^ Good points!

Yeah...at least ONE! Damn!

True we don't have large stretches....but small pockets for sure! Small pockets full of people just as crazy as any Californian gangster. Shit...I know bikers, cowboys, and Indians who do some sick ass twisted shit to people! Crazy ass fools! hahaha

But your totally right...why would they buy some gangster shit from some cat in some small ass Oregon town? They'd say "where the fuck is Oregon?" So I feel you on that!
 
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But your totally right...why would they buy some gangster shit from some cat in some small ass Oregon town? They'd say "where the fuck is Oregon?" So I feel you on that!
Yep, that's how people think. But quite honestly, the outcome from that type of thinking doesn't even deliver what they're looking for.

As I've gotten older and my geographic education has continued, the more I've realized that some of those smaller towns are grimier than the bigger cities. I'm not sure about Oregon, but if somebody asked me what the hardest town in the state of Washington was, I'd say that's easy, Yakima. In California, 50% of Stockton is harder than 95% of Los Angeles.
 
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STOP TRYING 2 START SHIT..LOL...I CAN'T SPEAK 4 CALI AS A WHOLE BUT I GOT MUCH LUV 4 THE NORTHWEST & USUALLY GET MUCH LUV WHEN I'M THERE...I EVEN PURPOSELY DID AN ALBUM THERE 2 TRY 2 BRIDGE WHATEVER GAPS THERE WERE..I ALWAYS USED 2 FUCC WITH SEATTLE 4 BEATS & DIDN'T KNOW 2 MANY TIGHT RAPPERS BUT AS THE YEARS WENT BY THINGS CHANGED..I REMEMBER WHEN WE USED 2 ALWAYS GET BEATS FROM SKILLZ WAY BACC IN THE EARLY 90'S...& FUNK DADDY..THE CONNECTION HAS BEEN THERE..WE JUST HAVE 2 KEEP IT POPPIN....& 4 THE RECORD MONEY ALWAYS TALKS...IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW YOU SPEND IT..WCM/PIIMP100
 
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Washington and Oregon combined have about 1/4 the population of California, so it's always going to be tough to crack that. If you look at African American population alone, Washington and Oregon combined have 1/9 the population of California. If you look at just Latinos, the gap is even wider. When people address these questions, I always take a demographic perspective, and for some reason, that seems to offend people.

I do think the whole "perception of hardness" thing matters. The white kids who buy rap music cds want to think that they're getting an authentic product that will give them a little glimpse into the hood. How accurate of a glimpse it is, that doesn't necessarily matter. But people won't buy rap music from places that they don't think are hard.

There are certain communities in California that just don't exist in the Northwest. We don't have places comparable to Compton, South Central LA or parts of Oakland and Vallejo. They just don't exist in the Northwest, and if they do, they are small pockets that stretch for a few miles at a time, not dozens. Historically, a very large chunk of the rap coming out of California comes from these communities. That being said, the Northwest has places very comparable to San Diego, San Francisco and Sacramento, but for whatever reason, lots and lots of rappers have come out of those cities. More and more though, the rap from California is coming out of places that aren't hard whatsoever, this guy Cashis from Irvine CA, don't get me started on that. So I think demographics has something to do with it to a point, but it's obviously not the only reason.

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Well put. That's real spit but @ the same time a kid might not want a gangsta rap album from a rapper from Oregan but there's more rap then just gangsta rap. If u aint living that life u can still come up with good hip hop w/o being gangsta. Look @ Mos Def, Devin The Dude & Ras Kass.
 
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Well put. That's real spit but @ the same time a kid might not want a gangsta rap album from a rapper from Oregan but there's more rap then just gangsta rap. If u aint living that life u can still come up with good hip hop w/o being gangsta. Look @ Mos Def, Devin The Dude & Ras Kass.
Yeah that's why I think the Blue Scholars have a much better shot at blowing up than say Lac of Respect. Not b/c Lac of Respect aren't living the lives they are claiming to by any means, but b/c the Blue Scholars are more typical of our area. If we were talking about Gary, Indiana then the Lac would have a better shot.

And I have definitely noticed a lot of the California guys seem to be huge into the streets/gangs type of thing, but when you really do look at it, California cities (with a couple of exceptions that have been named) have very low crime rates, lower than the national average.

I can respect somebody from South Central Los Angeles, Oakland or Compton disrespecting our street credibility up here, I can handle that, look at the census tract data, it's pretty obvious there's a difference. But what I can't respect are these guys from most of the rest of Cali having those feelings.
 
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I can respect somebody from South Central Los Angeles, Oakland or Compton disrespecting our street credibility up here, I can handle that, look at the census tract data, it's pretty obvious there's a difference. But what I can't respect are these guys from most of the rest of Cali having those feelings.
Like what citys are u referring to? Not trying to start anything but I'm just asking.


And I know(personally) some real cats from Oakland, South Central & Compton but I've ran accross some busta ass niggas from them parts too.
 
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Like what citys are u referring to? Not trying to start anything but I'm just asking.


And I know(personally) some real cats from Oakland, South Central & Compton but I've ran accross some busta ass niggas from them parts too.
Places like San Jose, Orange County (except Santa Ana), San Mateo, Elk Grove, most of Sacramento, most of San Francisco, most of San Diego, Lompoc, Monterey, Oceanside. Sometimes I'll see a somebody on here with all this gangsterism in their signature w/ something like "Killa Cali Fremont biatch" and I'll just roll my eyes and think "if we are not allowed to act hard in the Northwest then why the hell are you? The town your from has 5% poverty when the national average is 12%, LOL."

But I know places like San Bernardino, Fresno, Inglewood, East Palo Alto, Stockton and Pomona all are not South Central LA but also not that far from them either.

Basically if somebody tells me the Northwest isn't hard enough to rap well, that person better tell me they're home address or hometown b/c I will go straight to the Census, get all of the demographics at both the city and census tract level, go straight to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, get all of the violent crime statistics, and make an educated judgment based on these factors, not what some clowns are rapping about.

Then folks from a place like San Diego will complain that this approach ignores all of the dirt in their town b/c it's overshadowed by the general wealth of the area, and I'll say that there isn't a single block group in San Diego that's got 40% poverty (the national standard urban geographers use to identify areas where shit really will be hitting the fan pretty quick if things don't change), and I'll say that Milwaukee has got 33 such block groups. Then the smart ones will complain about the high cost of living in CA skewing some of this (and I'll admit that they have a point there).

But the point is, rap music tends to make the state of California as a whole look a little harder to a general national audience than it really is. I think it's b/c that was the formula for success back in the early 90s and now everybody that grew up on it is imitating.
 
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it seems to me like people from northern cali have more respect for seattle than people from southern california. maybe thats a geographical thing.
 
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it seems to me like people from northern cali have more respect for seattle than people from southern california. maybe thats a geographical thing.
^^^ tru dat!

I've seen way more cats from nor cal ride thru wa, and or. Than cats from so cal. But on some real spit, forget what cali thinks... I see the the most hate comin from our own residents. For any of us in music to get respect from the outside regions first we gotta lockdown our own.

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