Christianity is based on Egyptian Myths - Jesus Christ is Horus?

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Since this section is so much focused on religious debates and such, I thought I'd provide this and let you to discuss upon this. Enjoy.

Does the cult of Horus prove that Christianity is false?

Some parallels between Horus and Jesus Christ:

1. Horus born of a virgin. <> Jesus born of a virgin.

2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. <> Jesus was fostered by Joseph.

3. Horus was of royal descent. <> Jesus was of royal descent.

4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. <> Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.

5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. <> The birth of Jesus announced by angels.

6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. <> Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.

7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. <> Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.

8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. <> Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.

9. Horus had 12 followers. <> Jesus had 12 disciples.

10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. <> Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] <> Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.

12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. <> The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.

13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified.

14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. <> Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. <> Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.

17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. <> The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” <> Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”
http://atheistempire.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/the-cult-of-horus/

From what I've heard, this author claims that the story of Jesus was plagiarised from earlier Egyptian times - http://www.tomharpur.com/
 
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a lot of diffrent deities such as krishna, dionysys, jesus, horus follow the same progression... virgin birth near the 25th of december, following of 3 mens blessings', performing of miracles, a death/crucifixtion, and ressurection..

its more astrological then anything... Jesus, horus, etc. represent the sun during its cycles.. the 3 men are the belt of orion because they align with the sun on and around the 25th of dec, the cross being the formation of stars behind the sun when it reaches its lowest part of the season (geographihcally).. the death=nightfall, ressurection=sunrise.
 

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JLMACN said:
Christianity is much closer to Greek religions, than Eygptian.

Look it up.....you will find many parrallels.

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What about Roman? Can you please elaborate me on that one?
 
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^^^precisely

Ancient Religions of the Mediterranean and Mesopotamia (Iraq)
The Religion of Egypt


The Egyptian Gods are kind and benevolent towards humans. They symbolized the natural order and the annual flooding of the Nile which brought rich, arable land to the delta.

Amon-Ra: light and heaven; the sun-god, symbolized in the obelisk
Hathor: body of a woman and head of a cow; she created the world and is associated with agriculture (the Egyptians abstained from beef--as do Hindus).
Maat (Mayet): goddess of order and truth
Toth: inventor of writing and the sciences; Ibis headed

Creation of Pharaoh: Pharaoh was created by the god Ptah, who molded a clay statue of the pharaoh and breathed life into his nostrils--ka (compare to the later story of the creation of Adam in Gen. 2). The Pharaoh is god on earth.
Egyptian creation myth: mound of silt arising out of the watery underworld from which the sun god arose. The Nile was identified with Osiris who was killed by his evil brother Set who tricked him into lying in a coffin. Isis, his wife, found the body being used as a pillar in a building. Employing her magical powers, she brought him back to life and copulated with him, afterwards giving birth to Horus, the falcon god. Isis holds the ankh (the symbol of life and regeneration). She is the Queen of Heaven; Osiris is the Lord of the Underworld.


The Egyptians were the only culture of antiquity that believed in a significant afterlife, reserved originally for the Pharaoh and then franchised out to those who could provide for the means necessary to guarantee the soul's passage to the other world.

Book of the Dead: soul comes before Isis and Osiris and recites a series of negative confessions (cf. the Deaclogue of Moses; the commandments are stated in the negative). The heart is weighed against a feather. If it is pure, the soul is received into the Land of the Blessed. If not, the heart is devoured by Anubis, the Jackal-headed god.

Religion of the Aten: Egypt was a henotheistic culture. However, during the reign of Amenophis IV (Akhenaten), the pharaoh elevated one god, the Aten, as the one and only true god and the source of all creation.
The Religion of Mesopotamia


Mesopotamia created a polytheistic pantheon composed of capricious gods, impulsive and unpredictable, like the weather and floods. Early Akkadian myths speak of:

Sin: the moon god
Shamash: the sun god
Ishtar: goddess of fertility
Mesopotamian creation story, Enuma Elish, describes how Marduk, god of Wisdom, splits Tiamat in half, creating the heavens and earth. Ea helps Marduk create humans from the blood of Kingsu (cf. the Qur'an's description of man being created from blood).


The Epic of Gilgamesh is the first great epic poem of the Ancient Near East. Gilgamesh meets Enkidu, and after fighting they became friends. The two of them set out to slay the monster Huwawa. Soon after, however, Enkidu is killed by the god Enlil. Gilgamesh sets out on a quest for immortality.

While searching Gilgamesh comes upon Utnapishtim. He tells Gilgamesh how one day Enlil wished to destroy the earth by flood. Utnapishtim therefore built an ark for his wife and put a pair of all creatures in it (compare to the later Noah story in Gen. 6 and 7). Being a righteous man, Enlil conferred upon Utnapishtim the gift of immortality. He then instructs Gilgamesh where the flower of life can be obtained. Gilgamesh gains possession of the flower of immortality, only for it to be eaten by the serpent. In the epic immortality is not afforded to humankind; rather humans should be content with the pleasures and sorrow this life affords, as per Ishtar's advice:


Mesopotamian religion, through its myths, rituals, and temple-state political order, emphasized the human world and humanity's moral and ethical responsibilities to each other and to the gods. The "Doctrine of Divine Retribution" teaches that all reward and punishment are meted out in this life. If you are righteous, you will prosper; if you are sinful, you will be punished--by god or by god's agent--in this life (cf. the Biblical story of Job). After death, all souls go to the Land of the Dead or Underworld (Greek Hades, Hebrew She'ol) where there is no differentiation between the righteous or wicked, nor is there a transmigration of the soul to a blessed existence. However, the righteous leave behind their good name and their good children, who perpetuate the justice and righteousness.


Much later arose the Babylonian tradition of Tammuz and Ishtar, in which Tammuz descends into the land of the Underworld to rescue his bride Ishtar. This myth reveals the seasons and the return of fertility (Cf. the Greek story of Hades and Persephone and Orpheus and Eurydice). Tammuz was worshipped in the Jerusalem Temple during the Persian period, along with other Semitic gods at the time (outside Jerusalem, Yahweh and Asherah [Ishtar] were worshipped together on the altar as symbols of fertility and regeneration).


Ancient Greece
The Greeks created a pantheon of gods created clearly in the image of humans. They were fully anthropomorphic, that is, not only human in formed but imbued with all the characteristics of Greek personality.
As in other primal religions, the Greek gods originally were spirits or gods that dwelt within the natural world. Zeus was the spirit of the sky that brought rain, thunder, and lightning; Demeter was the spirit in the earth that brought the grain; etc. The Greek word that is roughly equivalent to the Polynesian word mana is daemon. With the arrival of Christianity the older gods of the Greeks were relegated to being demons, evil spirits.
In the 6th century BCE, the Greeks created philosophy, humanly acquired wisdom, as a means to explain the physical universe (as opposed to theology or divine revelation). The older mythologies of the Greeks were reinterpreted as allegories of philosophical truths. Socrates rejected the anthropomorphic concept of "god" and conceived of divinity as To on (To on)--"That Which IS," a word without gender.
The philosophical revolution in Greece was responsible for initiating the debate as to whether science (philosophy) or religion (theology) was better able to explain the material cause of the universe (logos vs. mythos).
Ancient Rome
Indigenous Roman gods were manifestations of numen (cf. mana)--a power that resides in certain objects which, by ritual means, one can gain possession of or power over. The ritual for gaining spiritual power was called a sacramentum. The title of the Roman High Priest was Pontifex Maximus, still the official title of the head of the Roman religion, Christianity.
Divination was perhaps the most common religious rite the Romans performed. Divination is a practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by means of augury: the interpretation of omens or portents that exist in the heavens, the flight of birds, or through the examination of animal entrails.

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The ancient religions of the Mediterranean and Mesopotamia are very important for the study of religion because of their legacy. Many of the religions we are quite familiar with&#8212;Judaism and Christianity especially&#8212;were greatly influenced by them. Much of our mythology and religious ideology comes directly from these ancient civilizations. They are also important because they demonstrate how geography is directly connected to the formation of religious patterns.
Egypt fascinated the Greeks and Romans as much as they still do today. When the Greeks built the Parthenon they were keenly aware that the pyramids on the Giza plateau were already 2000 years old. Egypt was a place of great mystery where traditions of mummification, necromancy, and rites of the dead were ancient.

No culture in the ancient world believed in a significant life after death except the Egyptians. For Mesopotamians, Israelites, and Greeks one lived&#8212;and then one died. After death the soul of the deceased went to the Underworld (Greek Hades, Hebrew She&#8217;ol)&#8212;a dark, unhappy place, where they dwelt forever among the rich and poor, good and evil. There was no judgment of one&#8217;s soul based on any morality which gave someone a better, happier life in the world beyond. All such ideas came from Egypt. Discuss a few Egyptian beliefs, especially those revealed in the Book of the Dead.

Whereas Egypt created kind, benevolent gods&#8212;due to the annual flooding of the Nile which brought rich, arable land to the Delta, the gods of Mesopotamia were capricious&#8212;jealous and angry. This is due to the geography and weather of the area which produced fertile land often plagued by flood and sandstorms that would wipe out an entire crop in an instant. The first great civilization of Mesopotamia was Sumeria, at the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates (where the Marsh Arabs still live today). Sumeria was plagued by frequent floods&#8212;and one great flood that destroyed it, as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh. This story is the origin of the Flood Story of Noah in Genesis. Recall that Abraham was born in the city of Ur in Sumeria. After Sumeria was destroyed, survivors migrated up the Euphrates to Babylonia (modern Baghdad), then into Syria, and then down the Orontes into the land of Cana&#8217;an. The story of Abraham is the story of this migration&#8212;although historically it took several centuries over many generations. Abraham is a mythic figure created from this collective memory.

The most important religious idea to come out of Mesopotamia is the &#8220;Doctrine of Divine Retribution.&#8221; It reveals that ALL reward and punishment are meted out in this life (remember, there is no belief in life after death). If you are righteous on earth, you will prosper on earth. If you are wicked on earth, you will be punished on earth&#8212;all at the hands of the gods. Discuss this concept and its implications. Discuss the advice the goddess Ishtar gives to Gilgamesh to comfort him about human mortality.

The ancient Greeks produced a pantheon of anthropomorphic gods. What the Greeks show us is the fact that we create gods in OUR own image, and not vice-versa. That is, the Greeks banquet, dance, sing, drink wine, have sex with women&#8212;and men. And so do the gods&#8212;only more so. When we study the personalities and attitudes of the Greek god, we are in reality studying the Greeks themselves. However, in the 6th century BCE the Greeks invented philosophy and began to observe the world and its workings. Rather than explaining things as arising from divine beings, they posited that the world operated on rational, eternal laws that could be understood by humans. Western &#8220;science&#8221; was born as a result. Discuss the implications of this movement on western civilization.

Lastly we come to the Romans, who were a very conservative and superstitious people. They practiced divination&#8212;the art of foreseeing the future through augury, the interpretation of portents and omens, most often the flight of birds or &#8220;reading&#8221; the entrails of animals sacrificed on the altar. We in America still practice augury on Groundhog Day. Discuss the nature and purpose of this annual event in terms of rites of divination. Can you think of any other rites of divination in any other religions you might know?

discussion topipc in my World Religions Class we had....informative.
 
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Liberal propaganda
Proof? Cus it is clearly stated in the links provided by "liberals". If youre gonna calm the stuff stated as propoganda, be prepared to debunk it.

Wouldnt it be funny if all these Christians REALLY found out this was all true? Oh how the "mighty" would fall...
 
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Proof? Cus it is clearly stated in the links provided by "liberals". If youre gonna calm the stuff stated as propoganda, be prepared to debunk it.

Wouldnt it be funny if all these Christians REALLY found out this was all true? Oh how the "mighty" would fall...
It was pure sarcasm. I myself do not follow Christianity.
 
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Christianity was based on many different traditions and myths from a broad section of the Mediterranean & Middle East in order to appeal to a larger audience and gain more followers.

Religions have been piggy backing and &#8220;borrowing&#8221; from each other since they started.

Islam built on Christianity the same way Christianity built on Judaism.
 
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same way Judaism built on Zoroastrianism...


Ancient Religions of Iran: Zoroastrianism
Zoroastrianism, the organized religion of ancient Persia, professes a belief in one Creator God, an evil force in conflict with a good force, an afterlife in heaven and hell as a reward or punishment of one's moral life, a dramatic apocalyptic end of the world with a final resurrection of the dead.

Indo-European Migrations and Religion

Sometime during the second to third millennium BCE Indo-European speaking peoples crossed the Caucasus region and entered into Central Asia (Persia), northern India (Indus River Valley in Pakistan) and the Mediterranean (Turkey and Greece). They brought with the a material culture based on pasturage, semi-agrarian farming, horse-chariot warfare, and a pantheon of gods centered around male divinities.
The Indo-Iranians (Aryans) came from a cold climate. They and venerated fire and its life-giving heat as a result. They honored nature divinities in priestly rituals called yasna which included the drinking of a sacred drink called haoma. Libations were offered to the god of fire and the goddess of water, the two most important sustainers of life. Zoroastrians worship in fire temples. Rituals are performed by priests who wear a mask (like a surgeon's--compare to Jain practice) in reverence of the fire's purity and power.
The Aryans worshiped a pantheon of gods, called Daevas, "Shining Ones," the highest of which were the Ahuras ("Wisdom Beings"). Sometime between 1200 and 500 BCE (although the 7th century is the traditional date) a man named Zarathushtra (Zoroaster is the Greek form), began a reform of his native Indo-Iranian religion. After spending years in spiritual retreat, seeking visions, he had a great vision at about 30. After wading into a river he was purified of his lower elements. Returning to the bank he saw a shining being--Vohu Manah (Good thought), who led him to Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord"), the one creator God. This faith came to be known as Mazdayasna--"the worship of Ahura Mazda."
Zarathushtra's mission was to purge the earlier Indo-Iranian polytheistic tendencies of the nomadic plunderers and lead them to his new monotheistic vision. Zoroaster is credited with the early metric verses called Gathas--hymns (cf. the Rig Veda of Hinduism).
Post-Zarathushtran History

The Magi (Iranian priests) helped transmit Zoroastrianism during the Persian period. Cyrus, the Persian king, liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity and allowed for the building of the Second Temple in Jerusalem. Under Persian influence, Zoroastrian teachings entered into Judaism: evil aspect in life, immortal soul, reward for punishment after death, resurrection of the body and the apocalypse. Alexander the Great's conquest of Persia in 331 BCE brought many Zoroastrian ideas into a wider context, further influencing early Christian movements that embraced the dualistic teachings of Manichaeism, based on the teachings of the 3rd century BCE Persian teacher Mani (compare Plato's philosophical dualism: soma sema: "the body is the tomb of the soul").
Zoroastrianism survived in the later civilization of the Parthians until 224 CE. The surviving teachings were reassembled into the Avesta--"holy texts." Under the Sassanids of the 3rd to 7th centuries CE Zoroastrianism became the state religion. In 632 CE Arabic Muslims defeated Persia, and after the Mogul invasion from the east sometime later, Persia was converted to Islam.
Some followers of Zoroaster migrated to India, whose spiritual orientation was similar to their own, to escape conversion. In India they were known as Parsis. The minority who stayed in Persia kept detailed instructions about the rituals and customs in a vast new literature, the Pahlavi texts, written in middle Persian from about the 9th century. Zoroastrianism survives in Bombay, India, and in small pockets of minority communities in the United States on the Pacific Coast.
Teachings and Rituals

Zoroastrianism preaches the primacy of Ahura Mazda who is good, eternal, the creator of all. Zarathushtra asks Ahura Mazda to protect the poor, the meek, and the lowly. Although One God, six divine powers radiate from the godhead: Vohu Manah (Good Mind), Asha Vahishta (Order/Eternal Truth), Khshathra Vairya (Absolute Power), Armaiti (Devotion), Haurvatat (perfection) and Ameretat (Immortality).
These six "Beings" are called Amesha Spenta ("Bountiful Immortals"). They are chief among the Yazata, or angels, who bring the light of the sun to earth and help those who dedicate offerings and prayers. The Yazata include many of the previous polytheistic Iranian gods. Prominent among them is Sraosha--the guardian spirit of humankind. Another is Mithra, guardian of the light and protector of Truth.
Zoroastrianism is composed of cosmic dualism, that Ahura Mazda is opposed by a dark force (perhaps?) of equal power. Zarathushtra spoke of Spenta Mainyu (Good Spirit), and Angra Mainyu (Evil Spirit). Humans have the power to choose between Good and Evil. Over time the Daevas--the early Iranian gods--became Evil. Followers of the Daevas worship the Druj (the Lie).

Zoroastrianism has a code of ethics that requires humans seek spiritual truth, asha, and cultivate civic and religious virtues, such as justice, chastity, self-reliance, compassion for the weak, charity for the poor, promotion of education, and good deeds--all of which are found in the moral codes of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. At the age of seven, children participate in Naozot, in which they are vested with a sudreh (sacred shirt), and the kusti (sacred thread)--practices with some affinity to Hindu rites.
When the body dies it is carried to a Tower of Silence (dakhma), a special circular building open at the top so that vultures can pick the bones of the body clean--done to avoid polluting the earth with decaying flesh. The bones are then bleached by the sun and placed in a central pit with no monuments or other grave goods to distinguish between rich and poor. All things material crumble into dust.
At death each of us is judged according to how good or how badly we lived here on earth--in thought, word, and deed. The souls of the Good cross the Chinvat Bridge to heaven; those of Evil fall into the House of the Lie. Interestingly, there is no eternal hell in Zoroastrianism because Good will ultimately triumph over all Evil. The world will eventually reach a state of perfection in which all will be liberated from evil. This state is called frashokeriti (refreshment)" and refers to the final resurrection of humanity into perfection and eternal life in a transformed world. The world currently awaits Saoshyant, the last prophet who will usher in this new world.

Roman Mithraism

During the Roman occupation of much of the Ancient Near East Roman soldiers came under the influence of many eastern religious ideas. One of which was Mithraism. Mithras was originally a deity of light, one of the Zoroastrian Yazata, who appears as a judge of the dead and protector of cattle and pasturage. Later, he becomes a cosmic savior who is the deity of regeneration and renewed life.
Mithraea were underground places of worship which celebrated Mithra's return to the world above from the depths of darkness on Dec. 25, the day of the ancient solstice. His cult statue consisted of Perseus (the Persian One) sacrificing a bull, below which a serpent and dog partake of the sacrificial blood. Professor David Ulansey has studied Mithraism and demonstrated a cosmic paradigm to the statue based on the alignment of the constellations of Perses, Taurus, Draco and Canis Major on the solstice.
Of interest is the discovery that the city of Tarsus was one of the great centers of Mithraic worship in the Roman world. Paul, the Pharisaic Jew turned apostle, was from the city of Tarsus.
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