Another Hip-Hop Sell Out?

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Dec 17, 2004
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im sure you guys have seen this commercial:



the music being played is the saul williams track "list of demands". for those who know saul's music, its kind of surprising to hear one of his tracks on a nike commercial. for those who dont, just know he's one of those "socially conscious" artists who believe in and preach about all kinds of things that are completely opposite of what a corporation like nike is all about

here's saul williams' explanation for why he agreed to sign a contract with nike. its probably the most extensive explanation ive ever read from an artist responding to sell out accusations. just wondering your guys' thoughts on it. you think its legit or just an attempt to justify desire for more money and fame?:


"FYI guys Nike sales don’t actually fluctuate much based on their ad campaigns, they pretty much stay the same, based on actual sports figures. However, the amount of interest in the artists they feature does seem to raise. So, I repeat:

The question is not why is Saul Williams doing a Nike commercial, but rather, why is Nike doing a Saul Williams commercial? Could it somehow be related to why McDonalds is selling veggie burgers , car companies are creating hybrids, or Wal-Mart is going green? Is there any relation between the Niggy Tardust lyrics, “ …Paint him on your lunchbox or your thermos for a fee…side effects may include simply doing what you say..” and NikeResponsibility.com? Even if Nike is only making changes in their business tactics in response to the heat they”ve caught, they’ve actually gone to the point of now being a leader in getting foreign governments (and it’s the governments that have major changes to make) to stop child factory labor. Fact is, when I lived in Brasil, the city I lived in only offered high school classes at night because most kids my age had to work during the day (in their case, farms not factories). By day, many of them were picking fruit that we find in our grocery stores here. Now pose yourself this question: if you made veggie burgers for a living, filled with vitamins and all sorts of goodies intended to boost the immune system and support a healthy heart and Wendy’s contacted you and said, “Hey, we’d like to carry your veggie burgers in our store” would you become excited about all the people who might now experience the wonderful effects and health benefits of your veggie burger or would you say, “Fuck you! You and your cows are depleting the rain forest” and let them get their veggie burger from someone else (who uses egg whites in their mix)? { What if you could get them to start using biodegradable stuff to wrap them in? what if they decided to use it on all of their products? }

Ofcourse, you could also opt to open your own business and slowly begin to learn what it takes (and takes) to expand your vision. Or not.

The revolution is not eco-elitist. It involves leaving enough slack in the rope for the existing norm to change it’s ways, shift it’s patterns, and apply our growing concerns to new business models. There is certainly a time when a loud and emphatic NO! achieves the best result, but there are also times to invite those who have known no better into the broader realm of discussion and be a part of the paradigm shift.

I actually sat with the global director of Nike last week (yes, he got a chance to hang with Niggy for a day) and learned first hand about the history and the changes implemented in the corporation and it’s factories. A corporation, I might add, that ain’t going out of business anytime soon. What they hope to accomplish, factory-wise, by 2011 is pretty complex and if they are able to do it, it will effect many other brands and how they do business as well. I’m not trying to make them out to be the messiah or anything, I’m simply saying that if you think your cynical analysis as to why I would allow my song to play in that commercial is more their master plan than mine then maybe you’re giving too much power to the corporate entities and too little to the age and times we are living in. Maybe you don’t realize the power of artists and of art.

See, my activism has taken me from sticking my middle finger up at people who think differently than me to engaging in dialogue with those in position to make changes while realizing the power of my/our influence in these discussions. I didn’t go into business with Nike, they went into business with me and now begins the process of them putting their money where my mouth is. We talked about sports camps in inner cities, Africa, India, and Asia. We talked about scholarships. And as stated earlier, yes, we definitely talked about sweat shops and child labor.

I am with you in not trusting the media and the so-called powers that be, but if those powers have made us less than exuberant about being alive, less than imaginative about the change that we might create in our lifetime, less than aware of the fact that the powers of being will always prevail over the powers that be, then you’re already wearing the suit that you have rejected. The uniformity of cynicism that appeals to the intellectual elite, to the do-gooders, and the so-called rebels of our times is bad business for creative prosperity. We need to focus our energy on the creative upliftment of our times. Imagine the best possible results and begin manifesting them.

Measure the conceit of your choices. Are you defined by how much you’ve said No to or by the passion of your Yes? Your choices are your own. Your decisions are your own. Do not surrender the power of your perspective to cliché forms of analysis. We grow and learn, just like mega-corporations. We surrender our lesser practices for new and improved means of achieving our goals. As we raise our standards so does the world around us.

ps: Lose your cynicism. It’s way more powerful than ignorance, simply because it is pointed. If you are amongst us hoping and praying for change, do not invest in the negative “what if” conversations without realizing that you may be feeding that possibility by focused projection."


if youre interested he talks more about it here:
http://grandgood.com/2008/04/05/why-did-nike-do-a-saul-williams-commercial-video/
 
Jun 27, 2005
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i think somebody is reading too far into it and trying to find something to bitch and complain about. who gives a fuck? enjoy Saul Williams if you like his work and quit gettin caught up in his personal affairs. He's a good artist and he should get whatever money he can from it as an underrated and under appreciated artist. Muthafuckas act like these artists are supposed to stay broke.
 
Apr 23, 2006
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and you guys wouldnt "sell out" in this case
he got his music on a commercial that will be played multiple times a day and broadcasted to millions of people
sounds to me like he is hustlin ... not sellin out
btw didnt even read the article too long for me to give a fuck
 
Mar 20, 2007
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saul shouldn't have to explain shit. if you gonna stop listening to him cause he's makin money off of nike, you got some problems.
 
Dec 18, 2002
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I'm surprised and I'm not surprised. When I used to do slam poetry I looked up to Saul's work but it didn't take long for me to see through his bullshit...
 
Dec 17, 2004
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btw didnt even read the article too long for me to give a fuck
yeah. readings hard

first of all, im not saying that he sold out. i dnt really know what i think about it, and am just seeing what you guys think
Didn't read it, but how did he sell out by letting Nike use his song for a commercial?
but why is this a possible sellout move? imagine if immortal technique or common or one of "those" type of rappers (you know what im talking about) was approached by the bush campaign (assuming pres bush were trying to be re-elected) and asked if they could use one of their songs for a commercial promoting george bush to be re-elected. this rapper now has a choice, either he not do it, because he does not want to ally himself with an administration he does not believe in, and does not want to contribute to their cause...or...he agree to it because despite his music being completely against everything the bush administration stands for, he knows the commercial will air multiple times a day and with his music being played and this will be great promotion which will gain him much more fame and money....this to me is "selling" your music to a group you've always claimed to be against, because that group is offering you a nice reward in return for having the rights to your music.

saul however looks at it in an interesting way. i just dont know if i necessarily buy it, or if its just a justification for other motives