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+ It was a great fight to establish a lineal champion in the division for the first time since Holyfield. Not many guys that could call themselves the man in that division and Bell was one of them. RIP
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They aren't saying to wait they are saying they are fine with a double header IF BOTH SIDES AGREE to that since that was tossed around as an idea by Golden Boy and the WBC commented on it. So basically if GGG wants to enforce his mandatory position, the WBC will enforce it. However if Canelo and Golovkin strike a deal to have another fight first, a double header event where both fight on the same card to build the fight a little more, that's fine as long as they come to terms.
I'm sure K2 is open to the idea as long as they agree to fight. I mean, Canelo and Golovkin on the same card would be dope especially with the premise that they fight eachother after. But if Golden Boy isn't serious about signing the fight, K2 is getting this forced to a purse bid and then Canelo either accepts or hands over the title.
I'm sure K2 is open to the idea as long as they agree to fight. I mean, Canelo and Golovkin on the same card would be dope especially with the premise that they fight eachother after. But if Golden Boy isn't serious about signing the fight, K2 is getting this forced to a purse bid and then Canelo either accepts or hands over the title.
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What do you think about The Ring stripping Stevenson of the Ring belt because of soft opposition?
The Ring belt is so confusing now and I'm not sure how I feel about it anymore. Pre-Golden Boy, it was THE belt that mattered the most as far as I was concerned. It meant you were lineal champion. It was a physical belt that you could actually see for the imaginary "lineal title".
Now, I do like the sound of fighters being stripped of their belt for not doing the right things (fighting mandatories, fighting good opponents, etc) and being held accountable, but in this case, they can strip Pascal of the Ring Belt but he's still lineal champion.That should only come from sanctioning bodies, not The Ring imo. In theory, Kovalev could win The Ring belt, without fighting Stevenson, while being unified in having every other belt at 175, but still not be lineal. Krusher could have the 4 major belts plus The Ring belt. Stevenson is still Lineal champ. So if The Ring belt does not equal lineal, what is it worth? It's worth nothing as far as I'm concerned. It's been devalued greatly. The whole point fighters went after the Ring Belt was to be lineal champion, take that away and who really cares?
I was skeptical when The Ring started tinkering with their rules (no longer was it only #1 vs #2 could create a lineal champ, it became #1 vs #4 or #2 vs #3). They just don't have the credibility that they used to which is a real shame considering the history and now it's so devalued they might as well scrap the whole Ring Title idea.
Heres a great idea. Why dont Stevenson and Kovalev fight eachother so we know who is lineal champion. I mean GGG and Ward both wipe out there divisions and dying to fight a top fighter yet these 2 are in the same damn division
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We know who the lineal champion is, it's Adonis Stevenson.
I never really cared much about the Ring belt but I agree that it made it easier for people to see who's the real champion in the division. You can't be stripped of a lineal championship and as much as the Ring would like to associate themselves with them determining the lineal champion, they don't. If anything it just makes the Ring belt another useless trinket that's not worth anything.
They've done this previously when they deemed Erdei to not be a rightful lineal champion in the division and gave the Ring belt to Hopkins when Erdei was still campaigning in the division and hadn't "lost" in the division. People just didn't like or know who Erdei was so it was easier to dismiss.
You can criticize Stevenson's opposition since becoming the lineal champion but he hasn't left the division and he hasn't lost in the division in a scheduled title fight.
I never really cared much about the Ring belt but I agree that it made it easier for people to see who's the real champion in the division. You can't be stripped of a lineal championship and as much as the Ring would like to associate themselves with them determining the lineal champion, they don't. If anything it just makes the Ring belt another useless trinket that's not worth anything.
They've done this previously when they deemed Erdei to not be a rightful lineal champion in the division and gave the Ring belt to Hopkins when Erdei was still campaigning in the division and hadn't "lost" in the division. People just didn't like or know who Erdei was so it was easier to dismiss.
You can criticize Stevenson's opposition since becoming the lineal champion but he hasn't left the division and he hasn't lost in the division in a scheduled title fight.
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Speaking of pussy shit. GBP and Canelos camp still on that pussy shit
Canelo's Trainer To Golovkin: Come To 155, We'll Fight!
Eddy Reynoso, trainer of Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (46-1-1, 32KOs), was very pleased with his fighter's performance on Saturday night at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Canelo defeated Miguel Cotto by unanimous decision and became a two-division champion by capturing the WBC middleweight title.
Reynoso said that they will continue to strive for excellence and that they are very proud of the 25-year-old Canelo's performance.
"We are very happy and we are going to keep working hard. We will keep showing that Mexican boxing is one of the best styles with some of the best champions and trainers," Reynoso told BoxingScene.com.
When asked about a potential future fight with IBF/WBA/IBO/WBC interim middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs), who is the WBC's mandatory challenger, Reynoso said they are willing to face anyone but only on their terms.
"We are ready to fight anyone at 155 pounds. We are very comfortable at this weight. If he wants to come to this weight we will fight anybody," said Reynoso.
Prior to the fight the WBC reiterated that if Alvarez emerged victorious, he would have to face Golovkin in his next bout.
Canelo's Trainer To Golovkin: Come To 155, We'll Fight!
Eddy Reynoso, trainer of Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (46-1-1, 32KOs), was very pleased with his fighter's performance on Saturday night at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Canelo defeated Miguel Cotto by unanimous decision and became a two-division champion by capturing the WBC middleweight title.
Reynoso said that they will continue to strive for excellence and that they are very proud of the 25-year-old Canelo's performance.
"We are very happy and we are going to keep working hard. We will keep showing that Mexican boxing is one of the best styles with some of the best champions and trainers," Reynoso told BoxingScene.com.
When asked about a potential future fight with IBF/WBA/IBO/WBC interim middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs), who is the WBC's mandatory challenger, Reynoso said they are willing to face anyone but only on their terms.
"We are ready to fight anyone at 155 pounds. We are very comfortable at this weight. If he wants to come to this weight we will fight anybody," said Reynoso.
Prior to the fight the WBC reiterated that if Alvarez emerged victorious, he would have to face Golovkin in his next bout.
right exactly. I guess Main Events/Haymon/HBO can't figure out a way to get it done. Well at least we have Kovalev vs Ward to look forward to, supposedly. Stevenson seems to have declined.
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I can't remember the whole Erdei situation, but wasn't it that he declared he was going to cruiserweight and/or retire and vacated his title so the Ring took the belt and then some time afterwards he changed his mind and stayed at 175? Because the rule was you can only lose the belt by getting beat, retiring or leaving the division. And he did announce his retirement and/or leaving the division. In any event, I recall it being a weird, messy situation which wasn't something that happened almost ever. But now it's all fucked up.
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Nah it went before Erdei really. The lineage at the time was this ..
Virgil Hill beats Henry Maske (unification fight between the #1 & #2)
Dariusz Michalczewski beats Virgil Hill (3 belt unification so even if you didn't recognize the lineage starting @ Hill Vs. Maske it's not debatable that it started here)
Julio Cesar Gonzalez beats Dariusz Michalczewski
Zsolt Erdei beats Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Ring for whatever reason didn't recognize the lineage and made RJJ their champion in 2001, which was incorrect. My point was they've done this nonsense before but because guys like Michalczewski, Gonzalez, & Erdei weren't that well known here it was easy to dismiss it. I think anyone who follows stuff like lineal champions knows who the actual lineal champion is, no matter how much we may not like the opposition he's been fighting.
Virgil Hill beats Henry Maske (unification fight between the #1 & #2)
Dariusz Michalczewski beats Virgil Hill (3 belt unification so even if you didn't recognize the lineage starting @ Hill Vs. Maske it's not debatable that it started here)
Julio Cesar Gonzalez beats Dariusz Michalczewski
Zsolt Erdei beats Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Ring for whatever reason didn't recognize the lineage and made RJJ their champion in 2001, which was incorrect. My point was they've done this nonsense before but because guys like Michalczewski, Gonzalez, & Erdei weren't that well known here it was easy to dismiss it. I think anyone who follows stuff like lineal champions knows who the actual lineal champion is, no matter how much we may not like the opposition he's been fighting.
Technically yes, but the fighter has to actually leave the division.
i.e. In 2011 Marco Huck was the #1 ranked cruiserweight, Yoan Pablo Hernandez #2, Steve Cunningham #3.
Hernandez/Cunningham fight on 10/01/2011 as #2 & #3.
Huck fought Rossi on 10/22/2011 at CW.
Because of the way Hernandez/Cunningham ended a rematch was scheduled and because of the way the division was at the time they both kept their rankings with the only argument was to flip flop Hernandez/Huck.
Hernandez beats Cunningham again on 02/04/2012
Huck loses to Povetkin at heavyweight on 02/25/2012. Huck was never removed from the rankings because he hadn't officially left the division yet.
Had Huck/Povetkin happened on 02/03/2012 - Hernandez Vs. Cunningham becomes a lineal title fight and Hernandez would be the lineal champion to this day.
i.e. In 2011 Marco Huck was the #1 ranked cruiserweight, Yoan Pablo Hernandez #2, Steve Cunningham #3.
Hernandez/Cunningham fight on 10/01/2011 as #2 & #3.
Huck fought Rossi on 10/22/2011 at CW.
Because of the way Hernandez/Cunningham ended a rematch was scheduled and because of the way the division was at the time they both kept their rankings with the only argument was to flip flop Hernandez/Huck.
Hernandez beats Cunningham again on 02/04/2012
Huck loses to Povetkin at heavyweight on 02/25/2012. Huck was never removed from the rankings because he hadn't officially left the division yet.
Had Huck/Povetkin happened on 02/03/2012 - Hernandez Vs. Cunningham becomes a lineal title fight and Hernandez would be the lineal champion to this day.
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yeah thanks for refreshing my memory. I guess people didn't care because Erdei was an absolute embarrassment during his "reign" and regarded as a big joke, so I guess the Ring made an exception here giving it to Jones who was obviously better and beating good, ranked opponents unlike the bottom feeders Erdei was fighting. But you're right, this is a good example of the Ring doing this before.
Nia Long/Ann Wolfe In Talks To Bring “Ann Wolfe Story” ?
Posted by Jeandra LeBeauf on Friday, November 27, 2015 · Leave a Comment
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What does Ann Wolfe and Nia Long have in common? Other than the obvious, it appears they are headed to the studio to bring Wolfe’s story to the screen. According to a post on her Facebook account, Wolfe is in talks with actress Nia Long (The Best Man, Love Jones, Friday) to bring her story to the screen. While nothing has been finalized, Wolfe isn’t the type to put outrageous stories out just to keep her name in the limelight.
Regarded by many as greatest female boxer of all time, former four weight class champion Ann Wolfe not only made her mark as a competitor but now as a sought after trainer.
http://www.badculture.net/nia-longann-wolfe-in-talks-to-bring-ann-wolfe-story/
Posted by Jeandra LeBeauf on Friday, November 27, 2015 · Leave a Comment
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What does Ann Wolfe and Nia Long have in common? Other than the obvious, it appears they are headed to the studio to bring Wolfe’s story to the screen. According to a post on her Facebook account, Wolfe is in talks with actress Nia Long (The Best Man, Love Jones, Friday) to bring her story to the screen. While nothing has been finalized, Wolfe isn’t the type to put outrageous stories out just to keep her name in the limelight.
Regarded by many as greatest female boxer of all time, former four weight class champion Ann Wolfe not only made her mark as a competitor but now as a sought after trainer.
http://www.badculture.net/nia-longann-wolfe-in-talks-to-bring-ann-wolfe-story/
