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JMM beats Rios IMO...and Santa Cruz is smart for not getting in the ring with el Chakal, he would get the shit beat out of him.
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I wouldn't call him smart for being a coward. If he loses he loses no one would look down on him for losing to the best pure boxer in the sport. He would get respect for taking on the best, like Oscar did and now Canelo. He just looks a like a bitch now. I mean they are in the same division, its not like he has to move up in weight or some shit. How can he call himself champion if he's not willing to fight for the crown? Disrespectful to the spot and the fans.
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That's 90% of boxers these days. They are in it to make a living and take the least punishment possible. Calling a boxer a bitch or a coward, who steps in the ring and puts his health on the line for your fuckin entertainment, is some sad shit. I understand we have frustrations as fans because fights don't happen, but at the end of the day, these guys should be respected for the warriors that they are.
Here's the thing about that though. They're getting paid by the consumer to step into the ring and take fights. Boxing in itself has no real purpose but entertainment. It's like not we need Santa Cruz to fight for the greater good.
I don't think any of these guys are cowards but I've always hated the "this is a business" nonsense. If you're not going to take fights from other top fighters in your division, that people obviously want to see, then don't be surprised if there's backlash from the people that essentially are responsible for making your paycheck happen.
Imagine the Patriots went into the Superbowl saying they need to get paid more to play the game because the Seahawks hit too hard for that money, but they'd gladly play anyone else for the same amount of money. Then when asked about it said "people just don't understand the business side of it".
At the end of the day they're in entertainment business and absolutely no one forced for them into it.
I don't think any of these guys are cowards but I've always hated the "this is a business" nonsense. If you're not going to take fights from other top fighters in your division, that people obviously want to see, then don't be surprised if there's backlash from the people that essentially are responsible for making your paycheck happen.
Imagine the Patriots went into the Superbowl saying they need to get paid more to play the game because the Seahawks hit too hard for that money, but they'd gladly play anyone else for the same amount of money. Then when asked about it said "people just don't understand the business side of it".
At the end of the day they're in entertainment business and absolutely no one forced for them into it.
Bullshit man. They only get paid because of the fans. It's a sport. And shit like this will only continue if the fans support bullshit ass fights and fighters. If there is no backlash, the best fights, hell just good fights will never be made. Leo Santa Cruz is getting clowned on his Twitter, IG, Facebook, boxing forums, etc and he deserves it. People are tired of him literally fighting sparring partners and dishwashers. Type of shit is that? How anyone can stick up for this kind of nonsense is beyond me. If you want the sport to get even worse, to lose even more popularity and to fade away into even more obscurity, sure go a head. Me and most boxing fans, we want what is best for the sport which is a good product. Not cherry picking fighters making a mockery of the sport.
There is no warrior in ducking, I'm sorry but he's not what Mexican boxing is about and is famous for. Its disgraceful for all those that bled in the ring before him so that he could earn $750,000 paydays. A warrior is someone who challenges himself, who gives it his all no matter the circumstances. To call Leo a warrior is joke.
There is no warrior in ducking, I'm sorry but he's not what Mexican boxing is about and is famous for. Its disgraceful for all those that bled in the ring before him so that he could earn $750,000 paydays. A warrior is someone who challenges himself, who gives it his all no matter the circumstances. To call Leo a warrior is joke.
I hear you guys, but how are you so sure it's Leo that doesn't want the fight? It's people around him protecting him, like most fighters are these days. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the reality. And when people come down hard on just one guy, I like to point out the bigger picture which is the state of boxing today. I'm not a huge fan of Leo by any means, and his voice is annoying as fuck, but he's not the only fighter being protected.
But to not consider any man who puts his health on the line in the ring a warrior is wrong in my opinion. Don't matter if it's a cab driver you're fighting, you still put your health on the line.
But to not consider any man who puts his health on the line in the ring a warrior is wrong in my opinion. Don't matter if it's a cab driver you're fighting, you still put your health on the line.
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Because in another interview, he was asked on video, what would it take for him to fight Rigondeaux and dude actually said $3 million dollars. He said he wouldn't do it for a million. Said he wouldn't do it for $2 million. Only at least $3 million. Those were his words, not anybody else's. He knows damn well he's not getting $3 million fighting anyone, ever.
This is their job, this is what they've been trained to do their whole lives. Yes it takes courage to step in the ring but it also shows cowardice to back down to a challenge, especially so blatantly.
This is their job, this is what they've been trained to do their whole lives. Yes it takes courage to step in the ring but it also shows cowardice to back down to a challenge, especially so blatantly.
Is it cowardice or being smart? If he looks terrible vs El Chakal like I believe he would, you say fans won't look down on him but I believe otherwise. I think it hurts his career a lot. Like I said, I see what you guys are saying. But when the p4p best fighter has been doing business the way Leo's going about it, can you blame him? The example is set on how to do business from the supposed best fighter of our time. The rest of boxing follows.
Canelo looked horrible against Floyd and it hasn't effected his career at all, he's still Mexico's biggest star and one of the top three/four American boxing stars. In fact, Canelo is being praised for taking on tough opponents. People say, yeah he lost to Floyd but Floyd is the best and Canelo is young. No one would call Leo a bum for losing to Rigondeaux. People are turning on Leo, they see what he's doing and are tired of it. The boxing community respects those that fight the best. Look at Oscar, he didn't win them all but that never mattered. He had a legendary resume.
So I disagree completely, he's not being smart. His reputation is damaged.
As for suggesting Leo is following Mayweather, disagree again. Mayweather put in work to get where he is. He fought the likes of Diego Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, etc. Leo hasn't fought anyone.
So I disagree completely, he's not being smart. His reputation is damaged.
As for suggesting Leo is following Mayweather, disagree again. Mayweather put in work to get where he is. He fought the likes of Diego Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, etc. Leo hasn't fought anyone.
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To be honest, LSC sounds hella uneducated. So he repeats everything Haymon tells him. That's why he busts out saying Haymon doesn't feel the fans want to see the fight. Shit, he didn't even leave GBP, ODH said fuck Haymon and took more of Haymon's money and let LSC go. What's wrong with these Haymon fighters is they don't have the balls to go against him, since so many are with him. Plus they are getting paid. But now look at Mares. He signs on with Haymon and looses even more fans cuz he won't rematch Gonzalez. That's the path LSC is leading on. But here we are, wanting to watch his next match hoping he loses and Haymon gets his ratings.
LSC is the WBC champ, so we can't say he didn't work hard to get there. But what we can say is that the WBC allows him to fight unranked fighters and Haymon gets their money to pay for step aside money for other fighters and who doesn't want to get paid not to do shit? All this step aside money bullshit allows haymon to do his shady work to protect his fighetrs and increase their chances of winning their fights.
Damage control from LSC today after all the backlash:
Santa Cruz: If It Was My Call, I'd Shut Rigondeaux Up!
Posted by: Miguel Rivera on 2/14/2015 .
By Miguel Rivera
As previously reported, WBC super bantamweight champion Leo Santa Cruz appeared on The Zone Radio and confirmed the recent statements by Golden Boy Promotions President Oscar De La Hoya, who said Santa Cruz's manager Al Haymon rejected WBA/WBA champion Guillermo Rigondeaux as a possible opponent.
"Haymon told me that it wouldn't be an interesting fight and none of the fans would be happy to see that fight," Santa Cruz said.
According to De La Hoya, the moment he tried to negotiate a unification bout between Santa Cruz (29-0-1, 17KOs) and Rigondeaux (15-0, 10KOs) - Santa Cruz's manager Al Haymon stepped in and exercised a clause where he was able to immediately purchase the unbeaten Mexican's contract.
"I was negotiating with Rigo's people on making Leo Santa Cruz vs. Rigondeaux - because that is the fight that the fans want to see and that's the fight that apparently, or supposedly, that Leo Santa Cruz had been asking for. We had a buyout clause in our contract with Leo Santa Cruz. And what happened? They executed the buyout and they bought us out - because they don't want that fight to happen," De La Hoya explained to BoxingScene.com.
Santa Cruz would still love to get Rigondeaux in the ring. He says if it was "his decision" he would fight the Cuban champion next.
“I always want to fight against the best, and I would just love to shut this guy up," Santa Cruz angrily confirmed. “I want to fight the best fighters but at the right time. This fight will happen eventually. If it was my decision I would fight him immediately."
Santa Cruz: If It Was My Call, I'd Shut Rigondeaux Up!
Posted by: Miguel Rivera on 2/14/2015 .
By Miguel Rivera
As previously reported, WBC super bantamweight champion Leo Santa Cruz appeared on The Zone Radio and confirmed the recent statements by Golden Boy Promotions President Oscar De La Hoya, who said Santa Cruz's manager Al Haymon rejected WBA/WBA champion Guillermo Rigondeaux as a possible opponent.
"Haymon told me that it wouldn't be an interesting fight and none of the fans would be happy to see that fight," Santa Cruz said.
According to De La Hoya, the moment he tried to negotiate a unification bout between Santa Cruz (29-0-1, 17KOs) and Rigondeaux (15-0, 10KOs) - Santa Cruz's manager Al Haymon stepped in and exercised a clause where he was able to immediately purchase the unbeaten Mexican's contract.
"I was negotiating with Rigo's people on making Leo Santa Cruz vs. Rigondeaux - because that is the fight that the fans want to see and that's the fight that apparently, or supposedly, that Leo Santa Cruz had been asking for. We had a buyout clause in our contract with Leo Santa Cruz. And what happened? They executed the buyout and they bought us out - because they don't want that fight to happen," De La Hoya explained to BoxingScene.com.
Santa Cruz would still love to get Rigondeaux in the ring. He says if it was "his decision" he would fight the Cuban champion next.
“I always want to fight against the best, and I would just love to shut this guy up," Santa Cruz angrily confirmed. “I want to fight the best fighters but at the right time. This fight will happen eventually. If it was my decision I would fight him immediately."
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It would hurt his career now because everyone will be in "I told you so" mode. A lot of other factors go into it in my opinion. LSC is fighting absolute nobodies while they very clearly avoid Rigo. They say nonsense like it'll take $3M to fight Rigo etc. So I think if they were to fight him and lose now it would hurt his stock, but it wouldn't have hurt him at all to fight a guy like Rigo and lose before.
Last I checked people still want to see Donaire get in the ring and he gets paid well for it. Donaire had absolutely no reason to fight Rigo, but did anyway.
Last I checked people still want to see Donaire get in the ring and he gets paid well for it. Donaire had absolutely no reason to fight Rigo, but did anyway.
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Donaire proved he wanted to fight the best. He could have made excuses not to fight Rigondeaux, but the ultimate goal was to unify all the belts. Bob Arum most likely didn't want the Rigondeaux fight, but Donaire did so he made it. And you're right it didn't hurt Donaire's career losing to him, although it probably hurt his career getting destroyed by Walters.
Speaking of, they were talking about Walters vs lomachenko but rumors are Walters is talk ing with Al Haymon and about to sign if he hasn't already so there goes that awesome fight.
Speaking of, they were talking about Walters vs lomachenko but rumors are Walters is talk ing with Al Haymon and about to sign if he hasn't already so there goes that awesome fight.