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gotta let the dust settle. Pac said he wants the floyd fight, arum says he wants a jmm rematch, everyone has there own opinion. At the end of the day it's pac who gets the final word so we'll have to see what happens.

If I were Pac i'd try to get floyd now and JMM after. I think that's the only right solution at this point.
 

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SMH. If I were Floyd I'd go ahead and call it a wrap because it appears to me that Manny and his camp want to have 6,345 fights with the same goddamn fighter. So what if you have a controversial win? Move the fuck on and fight your BIGGEST test yet, the BIGGEST fight of your career.
Exactly, right on Heresy for calling it like you see it bruh. Team Pacquiao has been shifting blame on Floyd for years when it's them that don't want the fight.

Pacquiao doesn't want the biggest fight of his career, it's kind of hard to to something you don't want to do, that's why he says he'll fight Floyd "for the people".
 
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I said after Marquez vs Manny 3, someone bluff will be called. Remember Mayweather asked for the fight with Manny a week before the Marquez 3 fight. That's 1st excuse out of the way. Manny already agreed to OSDT. That's 2nd excuse out of the way. So let's make the fight. You beat (robbed) Marquez so come on 'fighter of decade' Manny fight Mayweather. Sign the contract to fight the guy (Floyd) that the fans and media said is scared and ducking you for 2 years. Manny going to retire now because of leg cramps..
 
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and for the record let me be clear if the fight goes down Floyd should be favored to win and I'm picking floyd to win on points.

Prior I've stated it was always a 50/50 fight and that we just don't know how floyd & manny will fight because they've never fought anyone like eachother.

But I'm straight up picking floyd now not because Marquez did great against Pac (I expected that), but because of a couple things I see missing from Pac's game. ONE is his lateral movement. Pac always had some quick footwork where he would attack then step to the side and either bounce out, or attack again rapidly. He hasn't done that in his last three fights (even against margarito he didn't do it that much). And TWO, he's much more conservative now then he was in the past. While one would think that's smarter, the downside is one of the reasons pac was so incredible was that random, explosiveness that just seemed to come out of nowhere. It was so unorthodox fighters just didn't know what the hell he was going to do at any given moment. He had that "shock & awe" style that just confused the fuck out of everyone. Now that he's fighting in more straight lines and almost is acting like a counter puncher himself at times, which is odd, he loses that edge. It's like he's thinking too much rather than just being himself.

So realistically you gotta favor Floyd based on my observations.
 
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I want to know mentally can Manny perform now with the fans booing him, with the media questioning his win against Marquez, and with members of his own camp (Khan, and his sparring partners) going on record questioning his win against Marquez. Manny is in a new position now some fans of his have a bitter taste in there mouth with last two performances. Will the new position fire Manny up or break him down mentally. Mayweather has been the most hated in boxing for 5 years.
 
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“I didn’t Watch the Pacquiao-Marquez fight Saturday but from what I heard Marquez won

By Daniel Echevarria: So as many fans where waiting as was I any information on the possibility of Floyd Mayweather watching last Saturdays match-up between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Marquez the definitive answer is NO! According to FIGHTHYPE.com Floyd stated that he was actually in Virginia hosting a party but he was flooded with emails and test messages and from his own words Mayweather said “I didn’t watch the fight, but from what I’m hearing Marquez got cheated.” Read the rest of this entry »
 
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Arum getting in the way of Pacquiao-Mayweather fight

By Babatis Banda: It is disheartening to see one of the biggest fights in boxing never take place due to a promoter. First, Bob Arum has been preoccupied in making Floyd Mayweather Jr. look bad, than a real effort towards making the biggest fight happen. Now, we are told that Arum says Manny Pacquiao will face Juan Manuel Marquez for the fourth time before he can fight Floyd.

What comes in my mind is; what is Pacquiao going to prove in a fourth fight that he couldn’t in three? Why can’t Pacquiao have the fourth grudge match with Marquez after Floyd?

Simple logic will tell you that Arum and Freddy Roach have been cleverly getting the best out of Manny while it lasted. A fight with Floyd would definitively end the Manny era and Arum and Roach understands this very well. Roach and Arum have marketed and made millions out of the Pacman, it would be stupid to let the cash cow go without ensuring that no more milk can be milked. By the time Roach and Arum are done with the Pacman, he will just be a shell of himself with just a name from his past. We have seen this before, and it is not strange.

Now all we are hearing are excuses that Manny has too much on his hands. The fact is that, if there is any boxer that usually has too much in his hands, it is Floyd. Floyd creates his own web, entangle himself in it, but he always has a way out. Floyd has come out of long lay-offs and has picked strong opposition and destroyed it. We do not need any roadblocks to this fight any more.

True lovers of the sport should object Arums decision of having a fourth Marquez/Manny fight, barely minutes after their third grudge match which Manny couldn’t account himself any better than the first two. Manny is not distracted in anyway, he has not changed in anyway, that is the real Manny when he faces somebody who thinks in the ring. I can’t see Manny throwing a thousand punches against Floyd because the pay-back would be unbearable for him. We saw Manny check his aggression when Marques was nailing him with hard rights, right on the button. Floyd would do that over and over until he is red faced.

Without having to become a philosopher, it is easy to see why Manny has never pushed hard for a fight against Floyd, he always remains in the back-ground and plays the good fellow. That performance we saw against Marquez would be pure suicide against the vexed Floyd Mayweather junior, and it explains the difficulty of this fight ever being made. Arum however, should never ever get away with it, and he will frantically try to make the fight when he knows that Manny has no more to offer.
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Schaefer/Ellerbe: Arum doesn’t want Pacquiao vs. Mayweather bout

By Chris Williams: Leonard Ellerbe, an advisor for Floyd Mayweather, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer are saying that Bob Arum doesn’t want to put together a fight between his fighter WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather Jr. Instead of making that fight, they see Arum avoiding the Mayweather fight to put Pacquiao back in with Juan Manuel Marquez for a fourth fight between those two guys.

Ellberbe had this to say in an article by Dan Rafael at ESPN: “In my opinion, you have three cowards – Bob Arum, Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao…It should be clear to everyone that they don’t care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now…All along we know why the fight isn’t being made…It’s a disgrace.”

Schaefer also is incredibly angry that Arum prefers to put Pacquiao back in with Marquez. Schaefer says he received an email from retired judge Daniel Weinstein, who informed him that Top Rank is looking to put Pacquiao back in with Marquez in his next fight rather than setting up the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.

I really can’t blame Ellberbe and Schaefer for being upset because Mayweather-Pacquiao would be a huge fight and the fight needs to be made before boxing fans lose interest or Pacquiao gets whipped again. However, I can understand why Arum is reluctant to match Pacquiao with Mayweather. After all, once Pacquiao faces Mayweather the gravy train will be over. Pacquiao will get easily beaten and a one-sided loss to Mayweather no doubt would have a negative impact on Pacquiao’s future PPV appearances.

Who would want to pay to see Pacquiao fight after he gets beaten badly by Mayweather? Pacquiao also isn’t in the position to take the Mayweather fight right now because of how badly Pacquiao was made to look by Marquez last Saturday night. Ignoring the scores, which were nothing short of a joke, Pacquiao got beat by Marquez and made to look bad. You can’t have Pacquiao moving on after a clear loss to Marquez to face an even better fighter in Mayweather. For one boxing fans won’t be as eager to see the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight now because of the controversial decision Pacquiao got over Marquez. And secondly, Pacquiao needs to prove that he can pass the Marquez test. Right now, Pacquiao has lost all three fights in the minds of many boxing fans.
 
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GOLDEN BOY ATTORNEY TABBED TO RUN SHOWTIME BOXING

Press Release: Showtime Networks Inc. has named Stephen Espinoza as its new Executive Vice President, General Manager, Showtime Sports and Event Programming. The announcement was made today by Matthew C. Blank, Chairman and CEO, Showtime Networks Inc., to whom he will report. "Stephen has had a great career that spans sports, entertainment, television and film," said Blank. "His deep experience in a variety of fields and incredible knowledge and contacts within the boxing and mixed martial arts communities will be an asset to Showtime as we continue to expand our offerings. I am confident that he will be a great leader to our already all-star sports group." Espinoza will be responsible for managing the day-to-day activities of the sports and event group, including developing and executing the overall strategy of the group and its pay-per-view unit, managing the network's relationships with distributors, talent and suppliers, and the acquisition and licensing of sports and event programming. Espinoza was a partner in the firm of Ziffren Brittenham LLP where he represented Golden Boy Promotions for many years.
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Khan: Mayweather would beat Pacquiao; he needs to think about retiring

By Chris Williams: IBF/WBA light welterweight champion Amir Khan feels that his good friend Manny Pacquiao was lucky to beat challenger Juan Manuel Marquez last weekend by a 12 round decision. However, Khan doesn’t think Pacquiao would beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. and believes he should think seriously about retiring from the sport before his legacy gets further tarnished.

Speaking with the telegraph.co.uk, Khan said “He [Pacquiao] wouldn’t beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. For his sake, we have to be honest. He is my friend…I’m going to tell him to consider retirement and not go on too long. He has some serious thinking to do. He was lucky and he got away with it against Marquez.”

Mayweather would beat the stuffing out of Pacquiao if he were to fight him now. Pacquiao was a much better fighter two years ago in 2009, but he’s not the same guy now. His wheels are totally gone, as he can’t hop around like he did in the past. I think Mayweather would easily beat any version of Pacquiao at any point in his career, but right now it would be way too easy for Pacquiao. Pacquiao can’t move anymore and is more of a slow plodder now that his legs are gone. He gets cramps every time he fights in his lower legs and that’s probably going to continue into the future.

I totally agree with Khan. Pacquiao was very lucky he got the decision, because he appeared to lose that fight. It doesn’t matter that he got the win, though, because the win is tarnished because few boxing fans actually agree with it. Pacquiao might as well have lost the fight because only his loyal fans, two of the judges, and guys like Harold Lederman and Jim Lampley feel he won. Pretty much the rest of the world all saw Pacquiao losing the fight.
 
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Mayweather to be back in the ring in February – Boxing News

By Daniel Echevarria: In a video/audio posted on worldstarhiphop.com, Floyd Mayweather stopped by Z104 (WNVZ) in Virginia Beach and talked to radio host Shaggy about Pacquiao vs Marquez 3 and his upcoming bout in February. That’s right; Mayweather says he’ll be back in the ring in February, not May 5th.

Shaggy went on to ask Floyd about his fight with Juan Marquez and Floyd said “I think I was 32 and Marquez was 36 yrs old and now Marquez is almost 39 and Pacquiao is 32, and they say he’s not washed up (Marquez). But when I fought him, he was ‘over the hill. They say he was too small for me, but they not saying Pacquiao is too small for me. But Marquez is taller than Pacquiao. I don’t understand it but things happen”.

Shaggy the radio host added that before the deal was made for Mayweather-Mosley that the media had Mosley pegged as an awesome fighter and future hall of famer coming off an awesome win and a clear destruction of Antonio Margarito and by the 6th round. Of Mayweather vs. Mosley, the media claimed Shane Mosley was “washed up” and “old” but still great for enough for Manny Pacquiao. Now according to Mayweather during the interview he says “The May 5th date was wrong once again. Floyd Mayweather is fighting in February. So I’m about to go in training camp soon I’m fighting in February.”
 
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Jeff Mayweather: To be honest, I did think that Márquez won



“I told someone before the fight that there was no way that Marquez was going to get the decision. No matter what he does, he’s not going to get the decision. There’s too much money on the table for Manny and Floyd. This is a fight that everybody has been clamoring about for 2 years. Now all the sudden, here was a chance for [Marquez] to actually kill that fight, but no matter what he did, they weren’t going to let him do that. The same thing happened with Bernard Hopkins and De La Hoya with Felix Sturm years ago. I mean, Felix Sturm, he didn’t beat De La Hoya. Even De La Hoya knew he lost. But the fight with Bernard Hopkins was already made. With that fight already made, De La Hoya couldn’t lose so what happened was De La Hoya got a decision win and the fight took place. The same thing happened here. Pacquiao got the majority decision win and the fight is still on the table. It’s lost its luster because of what happened with this fight, but it’s still on the table”.



“Pacquiao got the majority decision win and the fight is still on the table (...) It’s lost some of its luster because of what happened with this fight, but it’s still on the table. You got these Pacmaniacs… It doesn’t matter. They don’t care how bad he looks or anything. They think [Pacquiao] will kill Floyd. After this fight, I think that realistically they know. They know Floyd could be on his worst performance and beat Pac if he fights like that"



“See this is the thing that I think Bob Arum’s going to do. He’s in a position where he has to raise Manny’s stock back up. Manny was supposed to go out there and blowout Marquez and make Floyd look bad. He was supposed to do what he did with the Ricky Hatton fight. All these guys he fought after Floyd that he happened to stop or knockout. Bob’s caught in a bad situation now. He might let him go ahead and fight [Timothy] Bradley. I think he’ll beat Bradley, but if he looks bad, who’s going to care about him fighting Floyd at all? I mean, it’s going to be asinine. So basically now, he’s caught in a pickle..."



“People compare this person to that person. Floyd toyed with Marquez. That doesn’t necessarily mean that he will toy with Pacquiao, but chances are he will. Marquez is a boxer that’s not even as elusive as Floyd. I mean, if Manny had so much trouble getting off against Marquez, I can’t imagine Manny even coming close to Floyd..."



",,,I mean, it was a tough, tough, close fight but to be honest, I did think that Marquez won. But it doesn’t matter what I think because I’m being biased. But there are a whole bunch of other people that feel the exact same way that have no association with Floyd"



“My reason for saying that Marquez won the fight was because, in all honesty, he landed the more effective punches and he was throwing combinations. Pacquiao didn’t fight anything like himself.”
 

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Three reasons why Pacquiao won the fight

Manny Pacquiao had undeniably done better in past fights.

He had forced a boxing champ to throw in the towel in eight rounds. He had finished off an opponent within two rounds through three arresting knockdowns. He had turned the faces of much bigger men into pulp.

In his last fight against Juan Manuel Marquez however, there were no knockouts, no quitting from the opponent, no knees on the canvas.

Pacquiao was supposed to knock out Marquez -- wasn't this his best camp ever? Hadn't he improved in the three years that had gone by since he last met Marquez? Wasn't Pacquiao a 10-1 favorite? Didn't trainer Freddie Roach predict a beating in early rounds?

Instead, Pacquiao edged out Marquez via majority decision in a performance that was close and contested.

Filipinos, and Pacquiao fans the world over, are used to seeing the People's Champ win easily and decisively. In his most recent fight on November 12 however, this wasn't the case.

But it doesn't mean he lost.

Breaking it down

In the end, quite simply, wins are not always crystal clear absent of knockouts, and not all debatable losses are robberies. A technical breakdown of the majority decision shows that it did not warrant the boos or bottles thrown by a crowd that was carried away by how the fight appeared, rather than what actually transpired.

It is essential to understand how fights are scored, to understand that it is not the crowd's cheers or perception at the end of a match that dictate the winner. Style matters, the type of punches thrown matters, technique matters.


1) What's in a score?

At the beginning of every round, both fighters are even at 10-10. If one begins to dominate and ends up winning the round, the winner is given 10 points, while the other gets nine, unless there is a knockdown (in which case the round is scored 10-8, and an extra point is added for any subsequent knockdown, so a second knockdown in the same round is scored 10-7, and so on). In rounds that are judged incredibly even, they are scored 10-10. But the most important thing to note is this: whether the round was won decisively (as with Marquez dominating Pacquiao in middle rounds) or whether it was a close round (as with the beginning and later rounds of the fight), the score is 10-9, sans a knockdown.

Pacquiao may have lost a number of rounds but he also won others -- something the crowd seemed to forget because the rounds Marquez won were more definitive, more convincing. The final score, however, is tallied by adding up the number of rounds won.

ESPN quoted a post-fight tweet by Bob Papa, HBO's "Boxing After Dark" announcer, who explained it most accurately: "Even though feels like JMM won, I had draw. You MUST score each Rd and write it down Then add up at end. 'Feel' & actual score differ often."

2) Stats support the judges

CompuBox statistics show Papa is right. CompuBox, a computerized scoring system used in boxing fights to count and categorize punches, supported the judges' decision: Pacquiao threw more punches, connected a higher number of punches, and landed more power punches than Marquez.

CompuBox works via two operators; in a fight, two operators are in charge of the system, one operator per fighter. Each operator has four keys that they hit every time their fighter connects a jab, misses a jab, connects a power punch, and misses a power punch. Of course, power punches -- punches that are a hook, an uppercut or a cross, basically anything aside from a jab -- are scored more.

Pacquiao threw and landed more power punches than Marquez.

But it was close. Their stat report for the fight reads, "Pacquiao had just a 117-100 edge in power shots landed, while Marquez landed the cleaner shots. Pac was busier, averaging 49 punches thrown per round to 36 per round for Marquez ."

That said, it is interesting to note that when Pacquiao defeated Marquez in 2008 via split decision, the CompuBox numbers showed that Marquez actually landed more jabs and power punches -- he landed 172 total punches out of 511 thrown -- compared to Pacquiao (157/619), even if the latter threw more punches in total. Thus, depending on which stats one looks at, one can argue that based on numbers alone, Marquez may have won the fight.

3) Underdogs have more to prove

The differences were slim, far from the lopsided performance fans usually see of Pacquiao, but when fights are that tight, judges are said to prefer the bout's aggressor.

“The rounds were all close, and when that happens you should give it to the more aggressive fighter,” Roach said after the fight. “Manny was clearly more aggressive, Marquez only tried to counterpunch him."

This is especially crucial for a fighter defending a title. Marquez aimed to take Pacquiao's WBO welterweight title from him. Because of this, as the challenger, he was expected to be the aggressor. This wasn't the case: while Marquez connected a higher percent of total punches thrown, he boxed only after Pacquiao attacked him, throwing counter punches instead of being the one to initiate the exchange. For a challenger, Marquez just didn't do enough to win. And for a defender, Pacquiao didn't do anything wrong to lose.

Hence for close rounds, Pacquiao got the nod, Pacquiao got the 10, and in the end, Pacquiao got the win.
 
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Juan Manuel Marquez Still Mulling Over Retirement; Says Pacquiao IV Would Have To Be

Juan Manuel Marquez Still Mulling Over Retirement; Says Pacquiao IV Would Have To Be In Mexico



By James Slater: Mexican legend Juan Manuel Marquez is still toying with the idea of retiring from boxing, as bitter as he still is about his “robbery” of a loss to archrival Manny Pacquiao. The exceptional 38-year-old told Proceso that he will make up his mind about whether or not he will hang ‘em up in “within twenty days.”

Marquez also told the Mexican news outlet that if he were to fight Pac-Man a fourth time, he would, A: want at least $10 million, and B: the fight would positively have to be staged in Mexico; at Estadio Ezteca in Mexico City preferably.

Marquez feels he has more than earned the right to call the shots (and many fans will no doubt agree with him - after all, “Dinamita” has proven his star power, with Saturday’s fight shattering all previous T.V numbers in Mexico; with a reported 37.2 million Mexican fans tuning in on Azteca 7 channel), and he listed some other conditions regarding a fourth engagement with the Filipino superstar.

“Now I am the one who will put forth the conditions,” Marquez stated boldly. “I want to see if it is true that Manny Pacquiao fights for the people. First he has to accept that he lost, the WBO must not accept the decision they gave him, and give him a no-contest.”

To a fan, people everywhere will know there is absolutely no chance either of the above two demands from Marquez will be met. Pacquiao accept his win being turned into a no-contest? No way! And there is no chance that anyone from Team-Pacquiao will ever admit the superstar lost last Saturday either - not while Pac-Man is still active anyway.

Will Marquez play serious hardball and actually retire if his demands are not met? I can see Marquez getting his way as far as the money he has asked for for a fourth encounter (the Pay-Per-View revenue would be quite literally through the roof if the two greats fought again), and maybe - maybe - Pacquiao will agree to fight Marquez in Mexico. But as for the WBO changing Saturday’s result and Pac-Man going along with it: forget it!

For now, though, Marquez is enjoying acting like the big shot. In light of Saturday’s poor decision he is more than entitled to be doing so.
 
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Brandon Rios Warns Yuriorkis Gamboa: I Run 135-Pounds
Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com

By Luis Sandoval

Talks have been circulating about a possible mega fight between WBA Lightweight champion “Bam Bam” Brandon Rios and Cuban sensation Yuriokis Gamboa for early next year. Rios was on the most recent edition of BoxingScene.com’s official audio show The Boxing Lab and spoke about the possibility of facing the undefeated Cuban featherweight.

Gamboa would be moving up 2 weight classes from 126lbs to 135lbs in order to make the fight happen. Rios was asked if he was surprised Gamboa was willing to leapfrog a division.

“Yeah, I was very excited. I’m like surprised. I’m like ‘wow, this guy is not even going to try and fight at 130. He’s going to go from 126 to 135’” said Rios. “He’s the one calling me out so I was like great. Let’s do it. That’s what I told Cameron [Dunkin]. Let’s do it man. Let’s do it right away. Let’s give him his wish and let’s fight”.

Olympic gold medalist Gamboa is known for his lighting fast speed. Some will say Rios has never been in the ring with a guy as fast as Gamboa but Rios believes Gamboa hasn’t been in the ring with a fighter like him. When asked how he would deal with Gamboa’s speed, Rios went off.

“You know what? People have said this and that about me. They should say [Gamboa] hasn’t faced a guy like Brandon Rios. Someone who’s going to put pressure and pressure and pressure and has power in both hands and that doesn’t give up and can take a shot and smile at [you] when he gets hit” said the undefeated champion.

“How is he going to handle my pressure? Cause he’s coming into my class. He’s coming to my division. This is my title. This is my world at 135. I run it. Only reason I’m number two is because [Juan Manuel] Marquez hasn’t faced me yet. But other than that, I run 135. So how is he going to handle it?”

Rios ,who was already making plans to move up to the 140lb division after his fight against John Murray on the undercard of Cotto-Margarito, said he will hold off moving if it means getting a fight with Gamboa. First Rios needs to take care of business on December 3rd when he makes his 2nd title defense as he fights for the first time in New York.