Who is pound for pound #1?

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Freddie Roach said Pacquiao vs Mayweather is going down in Oct or Nov, so fortunately we'll get to see who is better. But until then, is Pacquiao still number 1 or did Floyd retake that spot? As far as I can recall, there's never been a time when the #1 guy lost his spot without losing.




The Ring

The great debate just got hotter.

Manny Pacquiao used a series of spectacular victories to become most experts’ No. 1 fighter pound for pound when Floyd Mayweather Jr. took his 21-month hiatus from boxing. Then, when Mayweather returned and beat Juan Manuel Marquez, some suggested he should reclaim his throne.

Now, after Mayweather’s spectacular performance against Shane Mosley on Saturday, the top spot became what THE RING magazine Editor in Chief Nigel Collins called “a damn coin flip.”

Those who side with Pacquiao will say that he earned the top spot and shouldn’t be demoted until he slips up in some way. He beat the likes of Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez and Oscar De La Hoya before stopping Miguel Cotto and thrashing Joshua Clottey since Mayweather’s return.

Mayweather’s supporters will say that he should reclaim the top spot because of his unrivaled skill and dominating victories over Juan Manuel Marquez and Mosley, THE RING’s No. 3 fighter pound for pound going into the fight Saturday.

THE RING is sticking with Pacquiao as its No.1 fighter -- barely.

“The debate among members of THE RING’s Ratings Advisory Panel concerning who should be No. 1 pound for pound was fairly evenly divided between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather,” Collins said. “Manny and Floyd could very well be considered No. 1A and No. 1B. However, the tricky thing about the pound-for-pound ratings is that they are much more subjective than the divisional ratings, which are objective and based on results within the division.

“In the end, Pacquiao held onto the top spot due to his slightly better overall body of work and the difficulty involved in demoted a fighter coming off a virtual shutout performance such as Pacquiao’s victory over Joshua Clottey.”

Other respected boxing journalists don’t agree. One of them is Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, our partner.

“I have great respect for what Pacquiao has accomplished in the last three years and there is a very legitimate argument that he has accomplished more in the ring than Mayweather,” Iole said. “That said, the fight with Mosley proved conclusively to me why Mayweather is the best. He fought offensively and stalked a man many thought he would run from. Yet, even though Floyd fought offensively, Mosley could still barely touch him. Mosley only landed 42 power shots in the entire fight, but what is incredible to me is that 13 of those were in the second round. Other than the second, Mosley landed fewer than three power shots a round. That's a testament to Floyd's skill as a fighter.”

The one thing most observers seem to agree on is that it’s more or less a toss-up.

“I can't remember a prolonged period of time in which there was more of a difference of opinion than right now,” Collins said. “… Hopefully one day it'll be settled in the ring.”

That might be the only way the debate ends.
 
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I guess the whole pound 4 pound thing, IMO was about saying, if these guys were all the same size...who would be the best fighter of them all.


Now, in a fight between Floyd and Pacquiao, being realistic...I would favor Floyd because he has a fairly notable size advantage; coupled with his skill set.

If they were the same size, I would pick Pacquiao to beat him.


Pacquiao hasn't done anything to lose the title, he beat the shit out of two TOP 5 welterweights in his last two fights, and IMO beating a physically prime Cotto is more impressive than beating a Mosley who is at least 5 or 6 years past his best days.

Not to take anything away from Floyd, but look at his opposition in the past 5 years. Not very impressive, besides the Mosley victory IMO.

Look at Pacquiao in that same time frame, and he's literally beaten the guy at the top of the pile, in every division he's fought in with the exception of lightweigh, all while moving up in weight. He isn't even a real welterweight, and he's beating the top guys at 147 senseless.


I wouldn't really disagree with someone who had Floyd at the top either, the guy is a bitch, but he's an amazing boxer.
 
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they got mosley at number 3? he looked like he had the ali syndrome fightng vs floyd. senseless hand moving and shit
he dropped to 5.

1. Manny Pacquiao
Country: Philippines (General Santos City)
Record: 51-3-2 (38 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 334
Titles: WBO, The Ring

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
Record: 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 32

3. Juan Manuel Marquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 164
Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring

4. Nonito Donaire
Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.)
Record: 23-1-0 (15 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 53

5. Shane Mosley
Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
Record: 46-6-0 (39 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 67
Titles: WBA

6. Chad Dawson
Country: USA (New Haven, Conn.)
Record: 29-0-0 (17 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 26

7. Paul Williams
Country: USA (Augusta, Ga.)
Record: 38-1-0 (27 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 26

8. Sergio Martinez
Country: Argentina
Record: 44-2-2 (24 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1
Titles: WBC, The Ring

9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Country: Thailand
Record: 75-3-1 (39 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1
Titles: WBC, The Ring

10. Celestino Caballero
Country: Panama
Record: 34-2-0 (23 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #10 | Weeks On List: 67
Titles: WBA
 
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COTTO HASNT RECOVERED MENTALLY OR PHYSICALLY FROM THE MARGARITO FIGHT....

Hard to tell.

Physically, I don't see any proof that he lost anything after the Margarito fight, but mentally I'm sure it affected him.


He's had 3 fights after the Margarito fight, and I don't see how people are saying he's washed up and shot.

Jennings - Somewhat a tune up fight, even though it was for a belt. He did was he was supposed to do and stopped him. Sure, Jennings isn't a world class talent, but he had never been stopped previously.

Clottey - No one looks good against this guy, and Miguel beat him. Plain and simple.

Pacquiao - I thought Cotto looked pretty good against him, until the 4th round when he got caught with a shot that most fighters wouldn't have even gotten up from. He was fighting on sheer heart after that. Absolutely no shame in losing to the best fighter on the planet. It was competitive too for the first half of the fight.



Still, Cotto was and still is in his physical prime. Whether or not he was affected negatively mentally, we can never really be sure of. But the Cotto win for Pacquiao was much more impressive than Floyd's win over Shane, IMO.

Pacquiao moved up in weight and faced, in my opinion, the best welterweight in the world at the time.
 
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nah cotto is still good.he coming back stronger with emannuel as his trainer now.they should of take sugar off at 5 put cotto instead.
 
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^ Yeah, I don't think Donaire is in the Top 10 just yet, personally. Now that the Darchinyan fight fell through, hopefully he gets to fight Montiel. Montiel deserves to be on that list IMO. I think he's Mexico's best fighter, right now.
 
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Hard to tell.

Physically, I don't see any proof that he lost anything after the Margarito fight, but mentally I'm sure it affected him.


He's had 3 fights after the Margarito fight, and I don't see how people are saying he's washed up and shot.

Jennings - Somewhat a tune up fight, even though it was for a belt. He did was he was supposed to do and stopped him. Sure, Jennings isn't a world class talent, but he had never been stopped previously.

Clottey - No one looks good against this guy, and Miguel beat him. Plain and simple.

Pacquiao - I thought Cotto looked pretty good against him, until the 4th round when he got caught with a shot that most fighters wouldn't have even gotten up from. He was fighting on sheer heart after that. Absolutely no shame in losing to the best fighter on the planet. It was competitive too for the first half of the fight.



Still, Cotto was and still is in his physical prime. Whether or not he was affected negatively mentally, we can never really be sure of. But the Cotto win for Pacquiao was much more impressive than Floyd's win over Shane, IMO.

Pacquiao moved up in weight and faced, in my opinion, the best welterweight in the world at the time.
HIS HEAD MOVEMENT ISNT THE SAME SINCE THAT FIGHT EVEN IN THE JENNINGS FIGHT AND THE 2 AFTER HE HAS BEEN EASIER TO HIT, IM NOT SAYING HES SHOT OR ANYTHING BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID PHYISCALLY HES STILL COMES TO FIGHT IN SHAPE AND STILL HAS THAT POWER... WHEN I SAID PHYSICALLY I WAS TALKING ABOUT MOVEMENT, EVEN HIS FOOTWORK HAS CHANGED...
 
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^^^ Mosley i think would beat Manny and thats not hate cuz Manny doesnt have the style like Mayweather to stop him from landing hard shots, Mosley wouldnt look "old" against Pacman believe that
 
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^ Yeah, I don't think Donaire is in the Top 10 just yet, personally. Now that the Darchinyan fight fell through, hopefully he gets to fight Montiel. Montiel deserves to be on that list IMO. I think he's Mexico's best fighter, right now.
Montiel would have a recent loss had the Valdez fight been anywhere but Mexico. Valdez hurt Montiel, bloodied his face up and deserved every bit of the TKO win that he was played out of. What Montiel did is stupid impressive but I wouldn't be throwing him on any top 10s list unless were talking bantamweights.

.. and JMM should still be considered top dog when talking about Mexico's best fighter. Losing to Mayweather two weight classes above the highest you ever fought after moving up in weight and stopping the lineal champ and then blasting out a highly ranked contender doesn't drop him down the list at all.
 
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^^^ Mosley i think would beat Manny and thats not hate cuz Manny doesnt have the style like Mayweather to stop him from landing hard shots, Mosley wouldnt look "old" against Pacman believe that
I BELIEVE MOSLEY WOULD BEAT HIM TOO... ONLY REASON MOSLEY COULDN'T GET WITH MAYWEATHER WAS CAUSE FLOYD GOT MOSELY PUNCHES DOWN TO THE SCIENCE.. HE KNEW WHEN HE WAS GOING TO THROW THEM AND ATTACKED HIM EVERY TIME HE DID... MOSLEY JUST GOT CONFUSED AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.. IT'S LIKE A TWO YEAR OLD CHILD DOING SOME SHIT HE SHOULDN'T BE DOING SO U GIVE HIM A LIGHT SMACK ON THE HAND. HE LOOKS AT YOU THEN TRYS IT AGAIN THEN YOU GIVE HIM ANOTHER LIGHT SMACK ON THE HAND.. THAT THIRD TIME HE WANTS TO DO IT BUT DOESN'T WONT THE SMACK SO HE GIVES OUT... PAC-MAN DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME FIGHTING SKILLS AS MAYWEATHER TO DO THAT TO MOSLEY..