Stanley "Tookie" Williams

dodger blue · Dec 15, 2005

Took didn't do it. I grew up in theL,and them swazi Pos are dogs. The same Furman that framed Juice patrolled my hood. So I know. I had friends who were murdered in L.A.C.J. Them pigz are dirty.Please believe it. I grew up off Vernon, where the LAPD/BPP shootout went down. Way before CRIPPIN'. I'm a Panther Cub. They didn,t have wet daddy laws in '79. Now they will put you in the state hospital for smoking yerm. Took sobered up like most dudes do in the pen and looked in the mirror and saw a monster. He repented and went out on his feet like Apostle Paul. What about Mumia? And other political prisnors? And they let Manson walk the mainline. They used to let Richard Ramirez roam LACJ. Christ is the only way. I realized it 100 dead homies later. Its not supposed to take that long.Wasnt 430+ years of slavery enough?

I AM · Dec 15, 2005

nonstop_ga said:

Dont' get me wrong, I agree with you...But try convincing half the country of that, lol...You're right, 9/11 had nothign to do with terrorism, our government literally let it happen and helped. Iraq, shit there's a whole different story, we go there to get Saddam so we can instate our government there so we can maintain a good supply of oil...Fuck it if we kill 30k+ people while we're there...Stupid people, anyway....Comparing Tookie to the 30K over in Iraq really isn't all that far off.

Bush indirectly ordered all those individuals in the military to murder these people, yes that's what it is...It's not casualties of war, it's still murder only with an agenda behind it. Tookie formed the Crips, I mean come on bro, lol....I realize he seems to have done quite a bit of good and I really think the death penalty was bullshit, however, he did just like Bush, indirectly ordered people to kill. If people in his organization kill, he's responsible, just like the military killing people, how many of you out there hold Bush responsible? Same thing. Now I'm just pointing that out, I don't think Tookie should have been murdered, Bush on the other hand....He's a little questionable. :x

Mr. Nice Guy · Dec 15, 2005

Sixxness said:

That example doesn't make any sense for the simple fact that Bush was in control of the military and directly ordered the murder of those killed in Iraq. Tookie on the other hand, has not been in control of the entire crips gang for many years and therefore is not responsible for the murders he had no control over. The difference is like holding Bush responsible if the military suddenly broke away from the Federal Government and began operating under its own authority. Tookie started the Crips, but it got out of hand from his original intentions. If you, for example, started a group to protect your community and 20 years from now that group had grown unchecked out of your control and was now involved in large scale violence, do you think you should be held to that degree of resopsibilty? He is surely responsible for any murders he directly ordered, but I don't believe you can hold him accountable for murders committed by crips today.

mo-x · Dec 15, 2005

Sixxness said:

I think you're confused... I'm not using different words, pulling any punches or calling 1 thing another. I don't know why you choose to speak on God when you have never stuck your head inside the good book. I bet you can't tell me anything about old testament law because if you could you would know capital punishment was justified. Also, how are you going to say no disrespect and then turn around and disrespect me? The level of sarcasm in your quote above is deafening and I'm not diggin it. The grand scheme of right and wrong in the universe is in the Word, read it before calling me out into an argument you're going to lose.

Deuteronomy 19:1-13 (NLT):

1"The LORD your God will soon destroy the nations whose land he is giving you, and you will displace them and settle in their towns and homes. 2Then you must set apart three cities of refuge in the land the LORD your God is giving you to occupy. 3Divide the land the LORD your God is giving you into three districts, with one of these cities in each district. Keep the roads to these cities in good repair so that anyone who has killed someone can flee there for safety. 4"If someone accidentally kills a neighbor without harboring any previous hatred, the slayer may flee to any of these cities and be safe. 5For example, suppose someone goes into the forest with a neighbor to cut wood. And suppose one of them swings an ax and the ax head flies off the handle, killing the other person. In such cases, the slayer could flee to one of the cities of refuge and be safe. 6If the distance to the nearest city of refuge was too far, an enraged avenger might be able to chase down and kill the person who caused the death. The slayer would die, even though there was no death sentence and the first death had been an accident. 7That is why I am commanding you to set aside three cities of refuge. 8"If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as he solemnly promised your ancestors, and gives you all the land he promised them, 9you must designate three additional cities of refuge. (He will give you this land if you obey all the commands I have given you--if you always love the LORD your God and walk in his ways.) 10That way you will prevent the death of innocent people in the land the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, and you will not be held responsible for murder. 11"But suppose someone hates a neighbor and deliberately ambushes and murders that neighbor and then escapes to one of the cities of refuge. 12In that case, the leaders of the murderer's hometown must have the murderer brought back from the city of refuge and handed over to the dead person's avenger to be killed. 13Do not feel sorry for that murderer! Purge the guilt of murder from Israel so all may go well with you.

I'll say again... Tookies death was justified and I will not feel sorry for that murderer...

2-0-Sixx · Dec 15, 2005

^^You dont know he murdered anyone, nobody does besides people who are all currently dead.

BTW, the old testiment also justifies rape, incest, cannibalism, HUMAN SACRIFICE, killing witches, killing fortunetellers, murder, genocide, sex slaves, etc. You can keep that garbage bro. That shit is for the Hitlers of the world.

Death to the Rape Victim
(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Parents will eat their own children, and children will eat their parents. And I will punish you by scattering the few who survive to the far reaches of the earth. (Ezekiel 5:7-10)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

The OT is fucking disgusting trash and anyone who seriously follows that shit needs their head examined.

mo-x · Dec 15, 2005

...way to take those passages out of context buddy. I too can quote all kinds of things out of the OT that would make it seem as though the bible supports such and such... but notice how I pasted all the context? the context for the ezekial passage goes all the way back up to chapter 5, this is a sign of the judgement of israel for not accepting christ, not an endorsement of canniblism. Parents eat (devour) their children today in this country. That doesn't mean they're literally eating them. Get a clue. Chapter 22 of Deuteronomy is ultimately talking about sexual purity and the woman is guilty because she didn't scream for help (wanted it) and the man is guilty of adultery. Exodus 21 talks about the fair treatment of slaves.

Where does it say it's OK to rape, murder, have human sacrafices and be a cannibal? You're full of shit.

I AM · Dec 15, 2005

Hey Mo, let me ask you somethin then. How would you feel about kickin it with someone who's murdered someone? And you took what I said off top, I wasn't being as sarcastic as you think. I just started talking about God and you disagree with my ideas and what I had to say and got mad. And I do have a bible and I have read some of it. But I'm getting a different one. Either way you look at it in midevil times people thought God was this merciful "being" or whatever you wanna call it and were scared shitless, but now it's all of a sudden forgiving, gimme a break. If there is a God and I am wrong, it should have been perfect from the beginning of time and to me there's too many contradictions.

BAMMER · Dec 15, 2005

USA TODAY

. A witness testified that Williams mocked the gurgling sounds Owen made as he lay dying. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," the witness quoted Williams.

The Yangs were Taiwanese immigrants who, along with their daughter Yee Chen Lin, were gunned down during a motel robbery two weeks after Owen died. Half of the daughter's face was blown off by the shotgun blasts, former L.A. County Deputy District Attorney Robert Martin told me in an interview this week. Williams called them "Buddhaheads," Martin recounted, and robbed them of petty cash.

Williams has yet to apologize to the victims' families. When the trial ended, Martin told me, Williams muttered to the prosecution team, "I'll get every one of you m-----f-----s."

mo-x · Dec 15, 2005

Sixxness said:

First off, I ain't mad and you have never seen me mad. You got your opinions, I got mine. We disagree, big deal... I'm sure I'll see you at the studio smoking with Pain some time soon and everything will be all good... No love lost, we're just voicing our opinions. But hey, maybe you have read it, if you have, good for you, study it some more and you'll realize just how perfect it is. All I'm saying is I love the Lord, believe in the errantcy of the bible and my opinions are constantly changing as I learn new things from the bible. At the end of the day, it's all good. We live in a country that allows us to argue while we make dinner and then agree to disagree while we share the meal. I got 30 more hours to put in before my week is over, so I gotta File->Close the siccness. Peace!

Gringo Starr · Dec 15, 2005

CODE said:

92nd & Roosevelt???They wasnt real Crips dukes...

CODE · Dec 15, 2005

couldn't tell ya......go up there and find out for yourself......let me know what happens.....take lots of baseball bats with ya.....

CODE · Dec 15, 2005

^^^^
I'm just playin with ya..this was like 4 years ago....and it was some dramatic shit!!!!!Couldn't give a fuck about it now for anything.....

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by the way as of now, I officially retire from the siccness.....I'm focused on my career now, I just don't have the time.....good luck to everyone.....folks, hit me on the email...

for all those in the business...good luck to yall..keep supportin,makin moves, and prinitin money...

from Seattle to Bellevue to Portland...get the money....I'll be makin moves boi!!!!!!!

Marcus & Millichap on mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

xpanther206 · Dec 15, 2005

The NW is so godless, the most secular area of the country. MO you're an endangered species man. I hope you stay up here and don't end up relocating in disgust.

xpanther206 · Dec 15, 2005

dodger blue said:

You honestly believe OJ was innocent???

WattsUp · Dec 15, 2005

Took didn't do it. I grew up in theL,and them swazi Pos are dogs. The same Furman that framed Juice patrolled my hood. So I know. I had friends who were murdered in L.A.C.J. Them pigz are dirty.Please believe it. I grew up off Vernon, where the LAPD/BPP shootout went down. Way before CRIPPIN'. I'm a Panther Cub. They didn,t have wet daddy laws in '79. Now they will put you in the state hospital for smoking yerm. Took sobered up like most dudes do in the pen and looked in the mirror and saw a monster. He repented and went out on his feet like Apostle Paul. What about Mumia? And other political prisnors? And they let Manson walk the mainline. They used to let Richard Ramirez roam LACJ. Christ is the only way. I realized it 100 dead homies later. Its not supposed to take that long.Wasnt 430+ years of slavery enough?

most niggaz i know from that time said that took DID DO IT, he went around braggin about that shit, most OGs know that nigga is responsible for those hot ones. but anyway fuck nazi ass arnold and the DA and the bitch ass police

BAMMER · Dec 15, 2005

92nd n Roosevelt .......lol

dodger blue · Dec 22, 2005

Perhaps. I've done some research and it is 50/50. I think he was wet. They say dude that testified was working for the nab. Anyway, I've been forgiven, so I forgive. Life in the Pen ain't as velvet as people think. Jesus wasn't with the death penalty. He forgave the women charged with adultry and Barabbas was freed becuz of him. And he said "Nobody takes my life, I lay it down! So there it is there. But thanks for correcting me if I'm wrong.

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