Neo-cons?

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May 27, 2002
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What are the main differences between I guess traditional conservatives (Goldwater/Reagan) and Neo-Cons (Cheney/abrams/just about anyone in the current administration)?
 
Dec 25, 2003
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Neo-cons are defined by a sharper "right" outlook than traditional conservatives, but more importantly, believe in a big bad US that crushes all enemies and solves problems with guns. Neo-cons like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz live in a world where everything is black and white, everyone is good or bad, commies bad, capitalists good, etc. The run into the war on Iraq was an example of Neo-con policy. Screw the UN, screw international approval, we are the big bad US, we John Wayne, etc. Here is a small list of neo-con views.

Neoconservatives…

Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
Share unwavering support for Israel
Support American unilateral action
Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
Promote the development of an American empire
Equate American power with the potential for world peace
Seek to democratize the Arab world
Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies

Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well.

In the press Neocon is usually used to describe people of the far right who believe that might = right, and who believe in an indirect imperialism and the philosophy of Teddy Roosevelt..."speak softly, and carry a big stick".
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Neo-cons are defined by a sharper "right" outlook than traditional conservatives, but more importantly, believe in a big bad US that crushes all enemies and solves problems with guns. Neo-cons like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz live in a world where everything is black and white, everyone is good or bad, commies bad, capitalists good, etc. The run into the war on Iraq was an example of Neo-con policy. Screw the UN, screw international approval, we are the big bad US, we John Wayne, etc. Here is a small list of neo-con views.

Neoconservatives…

Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
Share unwavering support for Israel
Support American unilateral action
Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
Promote the development of an American empire
Equate American power with the potential for world peace
Seek to democratize the Arab world
Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies

Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well.

In the press Neocon is usually used to describe people of the far right who believe that might = right, and who believe in an indirect imperialism and the philosophy of Teddy Roosevelt..."speak softly, and carry a big stick".


I agree with those views
 
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WD - so then the "traditional" conservatives are the old school set that believe in less government, less taxes, and more isolatinist foreign policy?
 
Dec 25, 2003
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Yes there are actually a few conservative sub-sets....here are a few more

Isolationist

The term isolationist is most often used negatively; few people who share its beliefs use it to describe their own foreign policy perspective. They believe in "America first." For them, national sovereignty trumps international relations. Many unions, libertarians, and anti-globalization protesters share isolationist tenets.

Isolationists…

  • Are wary of US involvement in the United Nations
  • Oppose international law, alliances, and agreements
  • Believe the US should not act as a global cop
  • Support trade practices that protect American workers
  • Oppose liberal immigration
  • Oppose American imperialism
  • Desire to preserve what they see as America's national identity and character
Historical isolationist: President Calvin Coolidge

Modern isolationist: Author/Commentator Pat Buchanan

Realist

Realists…
  • Are guided more by practical considerations than ideological vision
  • Believe US power is crucial to successful diplomacy - and vice versa
  • Don't want US policy options unduly limited by world opinion or ethical considerations
  • Believe strong alliances are important to US interests
  • Weigh the political costs of foreign action
  • Believe foreign intervention must be dictated by compelling national interest
Historical realist: President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Modern realist: Secretary of State Colin Powell

Paleoconservative – "Paleocons" want less US involvement in foeign affairs than other conservatives and oppose mass immigration. They are also more favorably disposed toward the South and the idea of secession, or at least decentralization, than neoconservatives.