Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

Who said anything about money just from advertising? On the previous page I said co branding, tie ins, merch and advertising. All ancillary goods = more awareness and greater chance to recoup.

Again, I don't see where this money is going to come from to pay for big cards. If we're talking about showcase fights with up and comers, sure he'll get the money. "Stacked" cards on NBC Sports though? That's where I'm skeptical. For That the purses alone would be multi millions of dollars and that's very difficult to fund without a network paying for it, especially if*we're talking about a dozen or more cards.

And then you have to figure in licensing to other markets outside of the country because there is no way he will "pay to play" but allow the network exclusive rights to a foreign market. What he is doing is simple actually. He develops a show, he owns the show, he pays for the spot, he gets the show to pop, the ratings increase, the channel has two options: reduce the fee or become a partner and co-develop.

We'll see how it goes. The ratings will depend on the names fighting so Hopefully he realizes he's going to need to put on entertaining, competitive fights.

 

[Coach E. No]

I can't even remember if I get that channel. I didn't really think about it, but they do advertise on that channel a lot more than they do on Showtime obviously because they do not have commercials. I don't know the logistics of it all. Obviously the dude has a plan and knows a lot more of the particulars than any of us or he wouldn't be considering it. But more than anything, I have VERY low hopes for it. I can't think of any promoter that has signed that type of deal and it ended up being all that great, on any channel.

 

[HERESY]

Again, I don't see where this money is going to come from to pay for big cards.

This is where tie-ins and co-branding come in. Let's say Floyd is moving a shit ton of merchandise on his TMT or Floyd.com or whatever he has. He does a tie-in or co-brand with Haymon (they're two different things) to generate a buzz and revenue. You take that money, whatever it is, and reinvest it back into paying for the card.

If we're talking about showcase fights with up and comers, sure he'll get the money. "Stacked" cards on NBC Sports though? That's where I'm skeptical.

Read one of the links I gave you earlier. The channel is a niche site and boxing has done well on the channel before. Everyone should be skeptical but the man gave up 20 million and, so far, he has shown that he can generate money in boxing. Why do you think all the people want to sign with Haymon?

For That the purses alone would be multi millions of dollars and that's very difficult to fund without a network paying for it, especially if*we're talking about a dozen or more cards.

He's already paying for it. Again, he is "paying to play" this isn't about the network because the only thing he is getting from the network is a time slot. He shot them 20 mil, he didn't say I have 20 mil I want you to match it. The network has no incentive to help pay for it. The only thing they are obligated to do is provide the slot in the specified markets at the specified time.

We'll see how it goes. The ratings will depend on the names fighting so Hopefully he realizes he's going to need to put on entertaining, competitive fights.

That's a given. Shit fighters? 20 mil down the toilet. Ok fighters with a lot of hype? Maybe he'll recoup. HBO/SHO and PPV type of matches and fighters? Win for everyone. All Haymon has to do is show that the numbers are there and can be there on a regular basis. And another thing, he's gonna also have to offer more than boxing when the show is on. He's providing content, it's entertainment, so it's gonna have to catch the eye and have people tuning in every week or however they have it scheduled.

Have faith, nigga.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This is where tie-ins and co-branding come in. Let's say Floyd is moving a shit ton of merchandise on his TMT or Floyd.com or whatever he has. He does a tie-in or co-brand with Haymon (they're two different things) to generate a buzz and revenue. You take that money, whatever it is, and reinvest it back into paying for the card.

Again, I don't see where the money is coming from. They aren't selling merchandise that's generating any kind of cash flow. Right now there is little no details on any kind of deals so this would be wild speculation on your part. What I'm saying is I don't see any companies putting serious money into this, on a small network with low ratings. I just don't see it. I could be wrong, but we'll have to wait and see where the money comes from and if it's substantial.

Read one of the links I gave you earlier. The channel is a niche site and boxing has done well on the channel before. Everyone should be skeptical but the man gave up 20 million and, so far, he has shown that he can generate money in boxing. Why do you think all the people want to sign with Haymon?

Right, he gets them paid by the networks who have the kind of cash to throw down millions on cards (Showtime and HBO prior). With NBC Sports, that remains to be seen.

He's already paying for it. Again, he is "paying to play" this isn't about the network because the only thing he is getting from the network is a time slot. He shot them 20 mil, he didn't say I have 20 mil I want you to match it. The network has no incentive to help pay for it. The only thing they are obligated to do is provide the slot in the specified markets at the specified time.

The $20m is for the airtime (the 24 dates). That's NOT including fight purses.

That's a given. Shit fighters? 20 mil down the toilet. Ok fighters with a lot of hype? Maybe he'll recoup. HBO/SHO and PPV type of matches and fighters? Win for everyone. All Haymon has to do is show that the numbers are there and can be there on a regular basis. And another thing, he's gonna also have to offer more than boxing when the show is on. He's providing content, it's entertainment, so it's gonna have to catch the eye and have people tuning in every week or however they have it scheduled.

Have faith, nigga.

Right, and this is exactly why I have low expectations because everything Al Haymon has been about since getting involved in boxing has been the exact opposite. He's never been about giving the fans great entertaining fights. That's why I believe this will be nothing more than an outlet to build up and comers, and possibly use the four regular NBC dates for semi big fights. Which again I think that's fine, in fact I think that's great for what it is. But I'm not going to get my hopes up and believe this is going to be some revolutionary deal Thats going to get all the big name fighters on regular cable TV. Those guys will still be fighting on Showtime and PPVs.

 

[battle619]

We all have low expectations, but what happens? Broner and Garcia's shitty fights get about 1 million views! the truth is people will watch and it will all depend on what banner will be up. I don't like it either but it will work. They will eventually get ppv money and hence the fighters will be okay with the pay. Like I say, all Haymon fighters have to do is stay in shape and make weight and they will be set up with fighters that can't hang and KO's will occur. Viewership will be there cuz of that and BAM! he gets his money back

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Garcia vs Salka did 700,000 views, not a million. And Broners opponent wasn't a bad opponent, it was a decent fight. And Broner is one of the bigger names out there, his ratings are usually pretty high. Those two guys are amongst the bigger names in Haymon's stable. I don't think a lot of people are going to be tuning in for many of the up and coming fighters though.

 

[HERESY]

Again, I don't see where the money is coming from. They aren't selling merchandise that's generating any kind of cash flow.

Because no tie in or co brand has been publicly done yet. This usually happens before the debut of a show. However, we don't even know id the deal is real so it's all speculation now. Who is our source? The hypocrite Duva.

Right now there is little no details on any kind of deals so this would be wild speculation on your part.

No, it's tv business 101.

What I'm saying is I don't see any companies putting serious money into this, on a small network with low ratings. I just don't see it. I could be wrong, but we'll have to wait and see where the money comes from and if it's substantial.

No company IS going to do it unless Al Haymon negotiates and they believe in the vision. It's not about a small network with low ratings, again, per the previous links I provided boxing has done well on the channel, the channel is a niche channel and boxing is a niche sport.

Right, he gets them paid by the networks who have the kind of cash to throw down millions on cards (Showtime and HBO prior). With NBC Sports, that remains to be seen.

Because their revenue, now, is not going to come from the network because he is paying the network. He either has more money in investment cap to pay the fighters, the fighters have agreed to a lower cut with the promise of a future big payday or he already has deals in place to license the content, co brand and do tie ins and that money has covered a large sum of the fighters purses.

The $20m is for the airtime (the 24 dates). That's NOT including fight purses.

Why are you telling me this? We all know this and no one has said anything to the contrary. How do you pay for the purses? See above.

Right, and this is exactly why I have low expectations because everything Al Haymon has been about since getting involved in boxing has been the exact opposite. He's never been about giving the fans great entertaining fights.

He's about making money. Period.

That's why I believe this will be nothing more than an outlet to build up and comers, and possibly use the four regular NBC dates for semi big fights. Which again I think that's fine, in fact I think that's great for what it is. But I'm not going to get my hopes up and believe this is going to be some revolutionary deal Thats going to get all the big name fighters on regular cable TV. Those guys will still be fighting on Showtime and PPVs.

For the first year or two it may be something you just described and no different from FNF. After that time, if the ratings are good, the ball is in his court. You have to remember, a lot of fighters aren't being shown period, even on HBO or SHO, so if he's building up new fighters and then getting them fights on HBO or SHO once their fanbase has been established then it is what it is.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yeah, everyone is about making money in boxing but even the most gready guys like Don King and Bob Arum put together awesome, entertaining fights. With Haymon he's all about making money with little to no risk for his fighters, thats the problem.

As for everything you said it's not that I disagree, I just don't believe there will be substantial money coming in to put on really good cards. They will be decent I'm sure just no big names/big fights.

Like we've both said, we gotta wait for the details. All we know is what Duva said. I'm sure there is truth in the deal as I'm sure she would have found out as her contract expired and they told her they're going with Haymon or whatever next.

 

[heyzel]

Ricky Burns thinking of moving back down to lightweight
October 5th, 2014 | Post Comment - No Comments
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By Scott Gilfoid: After his horrible performance last night in beating Alexandre Lepelley (17-2-1, 3 KOs) by an unimpressive 8 round decision, Ricky Burns (37-4-1, 11 KOs) says he has some decisions to make about whether he should move back down to lightweight to try and make the best of things in that weight class.

What we saw last night from Burns in his 8 round victory over Lepelley is that Burns doesn’t have the size to be fighting in the light welterweight division.

While some boxers are able to put muscle weight on and move up in weight, Burns isn’t one of them. All the weight that Burns put appeared to be around his midsection. In other words, Burns ate his way to light welterweight with the weight that he put on being in the form fat that he stored around his belly area.

Some of the rounds I think I boxed alright,” said Burns. “He was very tough and he could take a good shot, at the end of the fourth round my hands were starting to get sore. I moved up to light-welterweight but I’ve got a few big decisions to make over the next couple of weeks about that but I’m just glad to get back with a win.”

The magical question is what can Burns do at 135? His performance against Lepelley was Burns’ 5th straight poor performance, and I think Burns is kidding himself if he thinks he’s going to be able to rejuvenate his career in that weight class.

You can make a strong argument that Burns career has nosedived since he left promoter Frank Warren last year and signed with Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport. Warren had Burns’ career going really well. Burns last fight with Warren was his 4th round knockout win over Kevin Mitchell in September of 2012.

After that, Burns signed with Hearn in early 2013, and that’s when Burns’ back luck streak of fights took place against Jose Gonzales, Raymundo Beltran, Terence Crawford, Dejan Zlaticanin and Lepelley. I wonder what would have happened with Burns had he stayed with Warren. He was doing a good job of match-making for him, and it’s quite possible he would have made the right moves to keep Burns winning.

Read more at Ricky Burns thinking of moving back down to lightweight

 

[heyzel]

Chad Dawson: They must want to throw me out of the game
October 5th, 2014 | Post Comment - 10 Comments
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TOMMY KARPENCY Dawson Karpency Dawson vs. Karpency chad dawson (Photo Credit: Amanda Kwok / SHOWTIME) By Allan Fox: Former IBF/WBC 175 pound champion Chad Dawson (32-4, 18 KOs) is convinced that the powers that be are looking to throw him out of the sport of boxing following his close 10 round split decision loss to Tommy Karpency (24-4-1, 14 KOs) last night in Dawson’s fight on Showtime from the Foxwoods Resort, in Mashantucket, Connecticut, USA.

Dawson was a huge favorite to win the fight coming in. Indeed, he was a 25:1 favorite to defeat Karpency, who had never beaten anyone remotely talented before in his 8 year pro career. But Dawson failed to fight as hard as he needed to in order to impress the three judges, especially late in the fight when he was outworked by Karpency.

The judges scored the fight 96-94, 96-94 for Karpency and 96-94 for Dawson. In explaining why he lost, Dawson says he hurt his left shoulder in the 3rd round, but he still feels he did enough in just using his right hand. In looking at the fight, Dawson was still using his left shoulder until the 7th round.

In that round you could see clearly that he’d hurt his left arm after he landed a shot. It could be that Dawson was confused about which round he hurt his arm. Either way, he wasn’t doing well in the 3rd round nor in the 7th.

“I hurt my shoulder in the 3rd round,” Dawson said after the fight. “I fought him with one hand. I landed more jabs than he did punches. That’s bull [expletive]. That’s [expletive] bull [expletive]. I can’t talk right now. They must want to throw me out of the game. They must want me out of here. I don’t know. I fought with one arm. Come on, man. That’s crazy. I fought him with one arm from the third round.”

Dawson’s career is in a bad place right now because that was his 3rd defeat in his last 4 fights, and it’ll likely knock him out of the top 15 rankings.

At 32, it’s difficult to see Dawson being able to climb his way back to a top five ranking. He’d been talking about wanting to fight for a world title in early 2015 after one more tune-up fight later this year, but obviously that’s not going to happen. With tough light heavyweights like Adonis Stevenson, Artur Beterbiev and Sergey Kovalev, there may not be a place for Dawson even if he does work his way back to a high ranking in the light heavyweight division.

Read more at Chad Dawson: They must want to throw me out of the game

 

[heyzel]

Pacquiao making a mistake by overlooking Algieri
October 5th, 2014 | Post Comment - 115 Comments

Pacquiao Algieri Pacquiao vs. Algieri manny pacquiao By Cameron Gillon: Manny Pacquiao will defend his WBO welterweight title against the unbeaten young fighter Chris Algieri on November 22nd in Macao, China, but is Pacquiao underestimating his next opponent? In my opinion, yes.

Since the fight has been announced the only subject Pacquiao, his trainer Freddie Roach and promoter Bob Arum have spoke about is a possible mega-fight with long time rival Floyd Mayweather Jr. The whole saga started at the city press tour to build the fight between Pacquiao and Algieri, and through each event they would talk about the Pacquiao-Algieri fight. But as soon as Pacquiao, Roach and Arum were interviewed away from the press tour, they would talk about Mayweather and Mayweather only.

They should have been trying to build the fight with Algieri as best they can by talking about the fight and this fight only. We all know the problems in the past 5 years surrounding a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight it doesn’t look likely it will ever happen.

Pacquiao has been more focused on digging into Mayweather as much as he can, and this clearly shows his mind is not on Algieri at all. Even when Manny was asked about Algieri, he simply answered with a few words. This to me doesn’t make much sense at all. Pacquiao is arguably on his last run in his career. Another loss would surely end any chance of him getting a fight against Mayweather if it was to happen. Arum could match Pacquiao with Juan Manuel Marquez for a 5th fight or Tim Bradley or Brandon Rios until he retires, but no one wants to see that happen time and time again.

Algieri is being overlooked massively. We’re talking about a guy who is unbeaten, and he has a very awkward style for Pacquia. Algieri is tall and knows how to use his brain well, and has very good boxing skills. You just need to look at his last fight against Ruslan Provodnikov who is a very heavy hitter. Provodnikov put Algieri down in that fight early on and Algieri continued the fight with a completely shut right eye and went on to win a unanimous decision to claim the WBO light welterweight title. Ruslan even said after he need someone who will stand and trade with him to win fights and you have to think if Algieri can survive that much punishment of Provodnikov then he can adjust to Pacquiao’s style.

Algieri hasn’t really said much in the build up to this fight so far. He is a man that doesn’t lack confidence but he has a great balance in using that to his advantage. Algieri is keeping his mouth shut and is working and training hard behind the scenes and working on a good game plan to pull off a shock to the boxing world. Many fans are thinking this is a easy victory for Manny and a tune up for a bigger fight down the line. Well I can tell you now this fight is not a tune up or a relatively easy fight for Pacquiao. I believe Algieri is a more awkward fight than Bradley and Rios, who have were Pacquiao’s last two opponents. Pacquiao really needs to focus his mind on Algieri and forget about Mayweather until after this fight, otherwise you will be seeing Algieri pull out a victory to win a 2nd division world title.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Has Jermain Taylor always been this wacko??

Jermain Taylor: I'll never lose to another white boy.
Damn this dude is nutty as hell. Check these videos.

White boy quote: Instagram

LOL: Instagram

Shots fired: Instagram

 

[HERESY]

Has Jermain Taylor always been this wacko??

Jermain Taylor: I'll never lose to another white boy.
Damn this dude is nutty as hell. Check these videos.

White boy quote: Instagram

LOL: Instagram

Shots fired: Instagram

The fuck got into him? He looks deranged now. WTF?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

The fuck got into him? He looks deranged now. WTF?

Yeah makes u wonder since he shot his cousin and was arrested couple weeks ago (he was bailed out, his next fight is still on).

 

[heyzel]

FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR. RELFECTS ON MAIDANA REMATCH; THINKS "EASY" FIGHTS WITH KHAN OR PACQUIAO SHOULD BE NEXT
By Ben Thompson | October 06, 2014
FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR. RELFECTS ON MAIDANA REMATCH; THINKS

"Well, we don't know yet. He might fight Amir Khan. Honestly, myself, I would like to see Floyd have a couple fights where he ain't fighting all these big, tough fighters. I'm not saying that Floyd's not going to fight the best, because that's all Floyd has fought is the best, but I'm saying right now, since he ain't but a couple fights before he ends his career, I'm just saying that maybe those couple of fights could be easy. Matter of fact, whether he knows it or not, if he takes Pacquiao, that'll be an easy fight," stated world-class trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr., who talked about his son's performance in the Maidana rematch, who he'd like to see him fight next, and much more. Check it out!

BT: Big Floyd, looking back at the two fights with Maidana, was there anything different about the rematch, whether it be with Floyd or Maidana, compared to the first fight?

FMS: First of all, the first fight, I think it was more like MMA. That's what it was like. I mean, all the headbutting, the hitting in the cup, the hitting behind the head, the rasslin', throwing out the ring and pushing off, you know, he did everything that had nothing to do with boxing. The man should've been cashed out because the one guy, I think his name was [Tony] Weeks, he didn't take a point and didn't take nothing; all he did, man, was let the man do what he wanted to do. So that was one part of the thing right there; the way the guy fought, he just didn't fight fair, he didn't fight right, and he didn't do the right thing.

BT: It seemed like there was still some dirty tactics going on in the rematch, especially when it appeared as though Maidana tried to bite Floyd. Do you think the refereeing of Kenny Bayless made the difference in how the second fight played out?

FMS: I'ma tell you this right here man, first of all, I was going to go over there and kick his ass my damn self. That's when you see me in the ring. When my son showed me that he hit bit me, that's when I was pointing over there and talking to him. I was just warning him. I wanted him or his fucking trainer to come out there, either one of them, and I was going to throw some dynamite at they ass. It so happened it didn't go that way and didn't go that far, so there wasn't no problems, but the whole thing is, man, like I said, I think that Kenny Bayless, you know, any time a man bites somebody, man, what did he do? He didn't do a damn thing. He didn't do shit. Floyd got bit and any time somebody bites somebody in boxing, you supposed to get disqualified. But as you see, the fight went on. To me, there was no direction in there because Floyd got bit. We don't know what the fuck that guy got or anything and somebody biting you, that's not good. That's all I could tell you.

BT: Floyd's game plan in the rematch, to stick and move and out-box Maidana, is that what you were wanting him to do in the first fight?

FMS: That was the move for that guy because, you know, that guy, he's a good puncher, but he didn't hit Floyd that many times, not with no good shots. I think there was one in the third round, that one shot I think he hit Floyd with that one good shot that he might have hurt Floyd or something, but other than that, he didn't do nothing. I'm just saying this was a one-sided fight right here. At the most, you probably could give him one round. The other fight, he might have won about four rounds or something like that, but this fight right here, this was a totally different fight that Floyd fought. He fought a more crafty fight. He did a lot of the things that I wanted him to do. He countered the guy. Every time the guy threw a jab, Floyd went over the top and BANG, cracked him every time. I think that might have happened about three or four times in a row.

BT: You mentioned that Maidana landed a good right hand at the end of the third round. That punch looked like it may have hurt Floyd a little. Did you get a good look at that punch, and if so, do you think Floyd was hurt at all when it happened?

FMS: I didn't get a chance to see it completely. I seen him hit Floyd then, but, you know, getting up to the ring, I'm always getting up there as fast as I can, so I might have been slow on that one. But hey, I didn't see what happened, but I did ask him was he alright. He said he was okay. He was calm, cool, and relaxed, and the way that he was, I know he was still focused and I know he still had everything in his head that was right, so I thought everything was okay.

BT: Have you had a chance to see the fight on TV?

FMS: Ummmm...I watched it somewhere. I watched it again. The only thing that you can say about the fight, man, is hey, this time, he got his ass whooped.

BT: I know Floyd still has two more fights with that Showtime contracts. Obviously he's going to do whatever he wants to do, but as a trainer, what would you like to see him do next?

FMS: Well, we don't know yet. He might fight Amir Khan. Honestly, myself, I would like to see Floyd have a couple fights where he ain't fighting all these big, tough fighters. I'm not saying that Floyd's not going to fight the best, because that's all Floyd has fought is the best, but I'm saying right now, since he ain't but a couple fights before he ends his career, I'm just saying that maybe those couple of fights could be easy. Matter of fact, whether he knows it or not, if he takes Pacquiao, that'll be an easy fight for him. Pacquiao can't whoop no damn Alvarez. Pacquiao can't whoop them big fighters Floyd's fighting; he can't whoop them guys, man. Them guys would beat the shit out of Pacquiao.

 

[HERESY]

Yeah makes u wonder since he shot his cousin and was arrested couple weeks ago (he was bailed out, his next fight is still on).

Why did he shoot his cousin?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Why did he shoot his cousin?

Details are scarce. Supposedly self defense but he was arrested.

"Mr. Taylor's cousin and another individual came to his residence, and there was some sort of altercation," Minden said, adding that the two who showed up at Taylor's home were unarmed. "At some point, Mr. Taylor retrieved a handgun and fired several rounds. His cousin was struck multiple times. The cousin is alive and in serious condition at an area hospital. He has pretty serious injuries. The other person was not struck, but Mr. Taylor had fired several rounds and missed."

Minden said that when police arrived at Taylor's residence, he was "very cooperative with our investigators. He was very calm, and there were absolutely no difficulties."

Boxing Jermain Taylor shot cousin, cops say - ESPN

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Anyone else this Kell Brooks story is a little fishy about being stabbed? So he has his girlfriend go home cus She's tired, gets her a cab and sends her off. and he goes to a man's apartment who he just met randomly to have some beers? Guy stabs him for no reason. The police can't find this guy despite Brook being in his apartment? I'm not saying he's a fagot, just saying.... suspect as hell lol I mean, seems a little odd he'd be out late drinking and go home alone with another man that he just met.


Kell Brook exclusively explains Tenerife machete stabbing | Daily Mail Online

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

It happened to Ouma, except Ouma was able to beat the guy up for advancing on him.
Maybe Brook tried to to do the same thing but that hands out Euro style cost him a shank to the chest.

 

[naner12]

Looks like Canelo Vs. Clottey is off. Canelo "injured" his ankle. Probably got advised from all the criticism they were receiving to get out of the fight.