Boxing Insiders Say 'No' To Margarito Licensing

[REdRUM]

I'm not talking about the Mosley fight, TONY; I'm talking about YOUR speculation (without PROOF or even any substantial evidence) that Margarito used loaded gloves in more fights, including the Cotto fight.

And I never said he should ''get off''; that's you putting words in my mouth. I said he served his time, did what was asked, and now should be allowed back. If his sentence was a lifetime ban, I wouldn't agree with it, but that's the ruling. An appeal would be next, which I would support, and then we'd go from there. But I'm not in the opinion that he should be given ANOTHER sentence, ANOTHER punishment, just because some people who ARE NOT in boxing don't like the length of his suspension. Boxing decided what he should serve, and he did it. HE DID HIS TIME.

Also, your last line about doing a lot of time for attempted murder vs. actually committing the crime is spot on; unfortunately, it also proves my point that you get more time for actually DOING the crime than if you ATTEMPT it.

You also didn't answer my question that I posed to you, TONY.

 

[REdRUM]

While you're comparing it to crimes.... ever heard of conspiracy? Say you're planning on selling/distributing 5 kilos of coke. You're on the phone and you set the deal up and everything. But you never end up doing the deal for some odd reason.

But the Feds got you on tape!

Now ask yourself.... Can you still get in trouble for conspiring or setting up the deal even if the deal you set up never went through?

You just wasted bandwidth for that?

READ my posts. I didn't say he SHOULDN'T be punished. I said he WAS; now let him move on.

 

[Tony]

Bottom line, a year is not long enough of a suspension for a boxer that attempted to cheat by loading his gloves.

And about using the plaster like substance in the past.... we don't know. But do you think whoever was wrapping his hands for the Mosely fight just woke up that day and decided to load his gloves? Please.... They've been doing it, this is the first time he's be caught.

 

[REdRUM]

Bottom line, a year is not long enough of a suspension for a boxer that attempted to cheat by loading his gloves.

And about using the plaster like substance in the past.... we don't know. But do you think whoever was wrapping his hands for the Mosely fight just woke up that day and decided to load his gloves? Please.... They've been doing it, this is the first time he's be caught.

Not long enough because you say so? The boxing commission decided it was long enough; that's good enough for me.

And Mosley is the best fighter (most difficult, style-wise) that Margarito has ever faced. Cotto is a good fighter, a tough fighter, but not someone who can give Margarito fits. Mosley is so fast and intelligent that he'll beat Margarito 99 out of 100 times, IMO.

Cotto can't take the punches that Mosley can, if Margarito could even hit him.

What should we do, TONY? Take away all of his wins, because he might have cheated before? In that case, Mosley would have his gone, too. Steroids do not equal plaster, but they BOTH are forms of cheating, like it or not.

You STILL haven't answered my question.

 

[REdRUM]

Its tough to say if the outcome would have been different but Cotto wouldnt have been worn down as bad i dont think if it wasnt for the plaster. For whatever reason Cottos punches did not really hurt Margarito and ultimately is why Cotto was in trouble. Margarito is a piece of shit regardless and so is his trainer.

Must have been the plaster in Margarito's face.

 

[Tony]

Not long enough because you say so?

Yep because I say so.

Cotto is a good fighter, a tough fighter, but not someone who can give Margarito fits.

He was giving him fits until that plaster started kickin' in....

Cotto can't take the punches that Mosley can, if Margarito could even hit him.

Are we talking with or without the plaster?

What should we do, TONY? Take away all of his wins, because he might have cheated before? In that case, Mosley would have his gone, too. Steroids do not equal plaster, but they BOTH are forms of cheating, like it or not.

I agree, both are cheaters. You can't take away Margo's wins because we don't know how long he's been loading up his gloves.

You STILL haven't answered my question.

What question?

 

[Tony]

Its tough to say if the outcome would have been different but Cotto wouldnt have been worn down as bad i dont think if it wasnt for the plaster. For whatever reason Cottos punches did not really hurt Margarito and ultimately is why Cotto was in trouble. Margarito is a piece of shit regardless and so is his trainer.

Margarito knew it was only a matter of time before the effects of that plaster started kickin' in so all he had to do was hang in there and catch Cotto with a good shot or two.

 

[REdRUM]

I didn't see these ''fits'' that Cotto was giving Margarito; granted, he was fighting his type of fight the first couple of rounds, but I thought Margarito's pressure, along with the amount of punches Cotto was taking, was his undoing. I didn't think Margarito had tremendous punching power, and I still don't. He wears his opponents down with that pressure and with tons of punches, and Cotto didn't have a defense for it, besides ducking and dodging against the ropes, and we saw how that worked for him.

Also...LOL...you say we can't take away his wins because we don't know how long he's been loading his gloves...then insinuate he used plaster vs. Cotto. Make up your mind.

Last, here's the question I asked of you:

If you were caught ATTEMPTING to commit a crime, TONY, would you expect to get the SAME sentence as if you had actually COMMITTED it? And after you were released, would you be cool with going back in, just because you MIGHT HAVE done it before? Even with no evidence?

 

[Tony]

To answer your question simply put... No.

 

[Tony]

Also...LOL...you say we can't take away his wins because we don't know how long he's been loading his gloves...then insinuate he used plaster vs. Cotto. Make up your mind.

My mind is made up, you're just having trouble comprehending.

Do I think they should take away win(s) from Margarito? No, because there's no telling how long he's been using that plaster so we don't know how many wins should be taken away. He did whipe Cintron out pretty quick though.

I still think he used plaster vs Cotto and so do tons of other boxing fans.

 

[REdRUM]

Tony, I'm not you. I can comprehend without diffuculty.

LOL @ acting like Kermit Fucking Cintron is an iron chinned beast who can't be ''wiped out''...

Have a nice day; time for my workout.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

right, but thinking and proving are two different things Tony. Hence the one year suspension and not lifetime ban.

Listen, we all agree that Margarito is a cheater. We all agree that he would have used plaster if he would have gotten away with it against Mosley. And we all agree that's wrong.

But at this point, there is nothing left to do. The man was suspended a year, like it or not, and he sat away patiently and didn't fight in Mexico like he could have or anything like that. He took his punishment like a man, whether or not the punishment fit the crime.

He's back now. We have to accept that (assuming he does in fact get his boxing license returned).

Further, if anyone is going to be tested for loaded gloves it's going to be Margarito. Everything he does from now on is going to be done under a microscope. So I'm fine with him being back. I hope he gets his ass kicked, but if he doesn't, at least I know everything he does from now on will be done by the books and no cheating.

 

[Tony]

Oh yeah you don't need "hard" evidence to be convicted. Circumstantial (sp) evidence works too... just ask Scott Peterson!

 

[Johnny Truelove]

a rematch with cotto would be the shit! could u imagine the hype & drama? im glad hes back fuck the haters let him box...

 

[bgrumpyp]

Margarito knew it was only a matter of time before the effects of that plaster started kickin' in so all he had to do was hang in there and catch Cotto with a good shot or two.

Thats funny man!!

You give a guy the benifit of doubt when he refuses to take a steriod test.....but at the same time you accuse Margarito of loading the gloves in a fight with no proof!! WOW

 

[Tony]

You're talking about Pacman in regards to the blood/steriod test? Pacman has never tested positive for anything and he's never been caught trying to cheat. So why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

In regards to Margarito, just see the previous post. That was dirty, and if he didn't get caught he'd probably still be doing it as long as he would have gotten away with it.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Thats funny man!!

You give a guy the benifit of doubt when he refuses to take a steriod test.....but at the same time you accuse Margarito of loading the gloves in a fight with no proof!! WOW

why do you keep insisting he refused to take steroid tests?? We've been over this pacquiao AGREED to take multiple, RANDOM, blood & urine tests throughout training camp. The issue is between floyd & pac was the cutoff date.

 

[bgrumpyp]

^^ It's obvious we will never agree.

 

[bgrumpyp]

You're talking about Pacman in regards to the blood/steriod test? Pacman has never tested positive for anything and he's never been caught trying to cheat. So why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

In regards to Margarito, just see the previous post. That was dirty, and if he didn't get caught he'd probably still be doing it as long as he would have gotten away with it.

Again don't get me wrong. What he tried to do in the fight against Mosley was just plain dirty.

However you cant say that guy has been cheating because you dont know if the guy ever actually got to in the ring with loaded gloves.IMO

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

So just because I won't let the cops in my house, does that mean I have pounds of drugs in here?

If I got pulled over and said no to a search does that mean I have a briefcase of heroin in the trunk?

If I don't let my girlfriend sift through my phone, does that mean I am calling other girls?

In your logic, yes to all of these.