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The Soviet Union was capitalist when it collapsed:dead: That itself can be an answer.
Assuming you will not be satisfied with that answer, in my opinion which I hold with many others, the dream of communism died in Russia when Stalin took power. Russia slowly but surely ruined what Lenin/Trotsky faught so hard to achieve.
As the years went on, USSR slowly went in the opposite direction of Lenin/Marx/Trotsky. Russia was in fact was a capitalist nation when it collapsed.
Assuming you will not be satisfied with that answer, in my opinion which I hold with many others, the dream of communism died in Russia when Stalin took power. Russia slowly but surely ruined what Lenin/Trotsky faught so hard to achieve.
As the years went on, USSR slowly went in the opposite direction of Lenin/Marx/Trotsky. Russia was in fact was a capitalist nation when it collapsed.
Well, you have to remember that the Communist idea, or Marx's idea is very new. http://marxists.anu.edu.au/archive/marx/works/download/manifest.pdf
I wouldnt say communism has failed every time, remember there are a number of "communist" nations, e.g. Axis of Good. You also have to keep in mind that communism is a process, its not something that can just happen over night.
A thrid thing to keep in mind is the US Intervention in many, if not all countries who were leaning towards or attempted communism. Here is a great link on just Latin America alone http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68798
What do you mean you agree with socialism but you dont think its practical? In Marxist terms, socialism is generally regarded as the period of transition between capitalism and communism. You do not believe this transition is practical? How come? It would be, as Marx put it, "a society where everyone contributes according to their abilities and receives according to their needs. Such a society is no utopia but the only alternative to a slow and painful descent into barbarism." That doesnt sound practical? Maybe it seems unpractical becasue of the society we live in. "Only a socialist revolution, that is, the conscious movement of the working class to take control over their own lives, can effect this change. This requires the building in advance of a trained and educated leadership that can ensure its success. For the last hundred years, at least since World War I, the capitalist system has ceased to play an historically progressive role. It stands like a roadblock in the path of human progress. We cannot wait for its instability to drive us back into the dark ages. There will be many opportunities for us in the coming years. But the success of socialism is not inevitable, it can only be guaranteed in advance by the extent to which we begin preparing for it today."www.yfis.com
I wouldnt say communism has failed every time, remember there are a number of "communist" nations, e.g. Axis of Good. You also have to keep in mind that communism is a process, its not something that can just happen over night.
A thrid thing to keep in mind is the US Intervention in many, if not all countries who were leaning towards or attempted communism. Here is a great link on just Latin America alone http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68798
What do you mean you agree with socialism but you dont think its practical? In Marxist terms, socialism is generally regarded as the period of transition between capitalism and communism. You do not believe this transition is practical? How come? It would be, as Marx put it, "a society where everyone contributes according to their abilities and receives according to their needs. Such a society is no utopia but the only alternative to a slow and painful descent into barbarism." That doesnt sound practical? Maybe it seems unpractical becasue of the society we live in. "Only a socialist revolution, that is, the conscious movement of the working class to take control over their own lives, can effect this change. This requires the building in advance of a trained and educated leadership that can ensure its success. For the last hundred years, at least since World War I, the capitalist system has ceased to play an historically progressive role. It stands like a roadblock in the path of human progress. We cannot wait for its instability to drive us back into the dark ages. There will be many opportunities for us in the coming years. But the success of socialism is not inevitable, it can only be guaranteed in advance by the extent to which we begin preparing for it today."www.yfis.com
Depends how you define progress. The history of the United States' "progress" is knee-deep in blood and gore. The almighty "progress" you extol is the material success of a few Americans standing on the corpses of people of nations across the world.
I don't call it "progress," I call it brutality or global colonialism. Or just globalism.
"They talk to me about progress, about 'achievements,' diseases cured, improved standards of living. I am talking about societies drained of their essence, cultures trampled underfoot, institutions undermined, lands confiscated, religions smashed, magnificent artistic creations destroyed, extraordinary possibilities wiped out." - Aime Cesaire, Discourse on Colonialism
I don't call it "progress," I call it brutality or global colonialism. Or just globalism.
"They talk to me about progress, about 'achievements,' diseases cured, improved standards of living. I am talking about societies drained of their essence, cultures trampled underfoot, institutions undermined, lands confiscated, religions smashed, magnificent artistic creations destroyed, extraordinary possibilities wiped out." - Aime Cesaire, Discourse on Colonialism
No, I meant progress as in look how far we've come since the land was discovered to what we are now. Technology, economy, inventions, etc... not standing knee deep in corpses.
If we weren't the most learned and progressed society on earth, then people from all over the world wouldn't be flooding into our country trying to get schooling and a better way of life. So take your USA hating retoric and shove it up your ungrateful ass.
And if you think WE are knee deep in blood and gore, look on the opposite side of the world. Our little intolerant friends in headscarves have been unrelentlessly slaying eachother pointlessly for hundreds of centuries. Remember that guy they nailed on the cross because they didn't like what he had to say? Or what about that one leader and his two sons who liked to torture, murder, rape, and God knows whatelse to his own citizens.
At least the religions in the US have progressed enough to at least get along.
If we weren't the most learned and progressed society on earth, then people from all over the world wouldn't be flooding into our country trying to get schooling and a better way of life. So take your USA hating retoric and shove it up your ungrateful ass.
And if you think WE are knee deep in blood and gore, look on the opposite side of the world. Our little intolerant friends in headscarves have been unrelentlessly slaying eachother pointlessly for hundreds of centuries. Remember that guy they nailed on the cross because they didn't like what he had to say? Or what about that one leader and his two sons who liked to torture, murder, rape, and God knows whatelse to his own citizens.
At least the religions in the US have progressed enough to at least get along.
"Discovered" by who? We're knee deep in the corpses of those we KILLED so that WE could live on this land (instead of THEM).
Bothers you, doesn't it?
The other side of the world where the US is dropping bombs and waging war? Yeah, they're knee-deep in blood and gore, and I know why.
So you're using other countries' atrocities to justify our own brutal and inhumane behavior? Not sufficient.
Bothers you, doesn't it?
The other side of the world where the US is dropping bombs and waging war? Yeah, they're knee-deep in blood and gore, and I know why.
So you're using other countries' atrocities to justify our own brutal and inhumane behavior? Not sufficient.
No, it doesn't bother me about people coming to our country to be better educated. Illegals bother me, but not the average visa holder trying to become a citizen and/or get an education - by obeying our laws. My point of that statement was to show that we are have such an extensive education system that so many people want to come here and learn. And live free in our ultra-progressed economy.
They were killing eachother before we started dropping bombs on them. In case you weren't aware, the mid east has been around a few years longer than we have.
And it's our bombs that stopped Hitler. It's our bombs that have stopped the murderrs of the Taliban. It's our bombs that have stopped Saddam's atrocities. Just to name a few.
Yes, I am using other countries atrocities to justify the US going to war to stop those terrible actions. We don't just pick out a random country and drop troops in for the hell of it and start killing random citizens. Unfortunately, citizens do die in war.
They were killing eachother before we started dropping bombs on them. In case you weren't aware, the mid east has been around a few years longer than we have.
And it's our bombs that stopped Hitler. It's our bombs that have stopped the murderrs of the Taliban. It's our bombs that have stopped Saddam's atrocities. Just to name a few.
Yes, I am using other countries atrocities to justify the US going to war to stop those terrible actions. We don't just pick out a random country and drop troops in for the hell of it and start killing random citizens. Unfortunately, citizens do die in war.
Most Europe has a better education system, our neighbors Cuba, has equal or better education then the U.S, Japan and other Asian countries are better…
Look Tony, we live in a country where money buys you an education. The average working family can afford to send their kids to an average public school. The average education has steadily decreased every single year for the last 30 years or so. I won’t even talk about how fucked inner city schools are. Now, once the average kid graduates high school, he cannot choose which college he will attend, but only which one he can afford. Once he chooses, this kid has a 38% chance of gaining a two-year degree or more. All the while a rich family can afford to send their kids to a private school, where the best teachers work for obvious reasons ($$$), and then pick and choose which Ivy League school he will attend.
There are many countries, such as Cuba, where education is 100% free, kindergarten through college.
Talk to any foreign exchange student; most Europeans will tell you that when in 12th grade in America, they are being taught the same shit they learned when they were in 9th grade.
Moving on to Asia. Japan’s education system is far more superior to Americas system. Japanese children go through a vigorous education process, where they are especially higher in mathematics and science when compared to Americans.
China’s education system is primarily free and the Chinese government has put education as its main priority of the country. “Strategically placing education in primacy to the development of other items, the Chinese government formulated the policy of "developing the country through science and education," constantly deepens the reform of education system, and carries out nine-year free education.”
Most people assume America has the best education system in the world simply because "we have the best schools." Sure, I agree, america does have some of the best schools in the world, but the average Joe will never even come close to attending one of these schools. When people talk about the education system, you need to remember we are talking about the education system as a whole, and not just a few schools like MIT or Harvard.
Look Tony, we live in a country where money buys you an education. The average working family can afford to send their kids to an average public school. The average education has steadily decreased every single year for the last 30 years or so. I won’t even talk about how fucked inner city schools are. Now, once the average kid graduates high school, he cannot choose which college he will attend, but only which one he can afford. Once he chooses, this kid has a 38% chance of gaining a two-year degree or more. All the while a rich family can afford to send their kids to a private school, where the best teachers work for obvious reasons ($$$), and then pick and choose which Ivy League school he will attend.
There are many countries, such as Cuba, where education is 100% free, kindergarten through college.
Talk to any foreign exchange student; most Europeans will tell you that when in 12th grade in America, they are being taught the same shit they learned when they were in 9th grade.
Moving on to Asia. Japan’s education system is far more superior to Americas system. Japanese children go through a vigorous education process, where they are especially higher in mathematics and science when compared to Americans.
China’s education system is primarily free and the Chinese government has put education as its main priority of the country. “Strategically placing education in primacy to the development of other items, the Chinese government formulated the policy of "developing the country through science and education," constantly deepens the reform of education system, and carries out nine-year free education.”
Most people assume America has the best education system in the world simply because "we have the best schools." Sure, I agree, america does have some of the best schools in the world, but the average Joe will never even come close to attending one of these schools. When people talk about the education system, you need to remember we are talking about the education system as a whole, and not just a few schools like MIT or Harvard.
i didnt know bout cuba, i only knew bout japan/china
i agree with "we live in a country where money buys you an education. The average working family can afford to send their kids to an average public school. The average education has steadily decreased every single year for the last 30 years or so. I won’t even talk about how fucked inner city schools are. Now, once the average kid graduates high school, he cannot choose which college he will attend, but only which one he can afford. Once he chooses, this kid has a 38% chance of gaining a two-year degree or more. All the while a rich family can afford to send their kids to a private school, where the best teachers work for obvious reasons ($$$), and then pick and choose which Ivy League school he will attend."
o yah, where in the 6 are u livin?
i agree with "we live in a country where money buys you an education. The average working family can afford to send their kids to an average public school. The average education has steadily decreased every single year for the last 30 years or so. I won’t even talk about how fucked inner city schools are. Now, once the average kid graduates high school, he cannot choose which college he will attend, but only which one he can afford. Once he chooses, this kid has a 38% chance of gaining a two-year degree or more. All the while a rich family can afford to send their kids to a private school, where the best teachers work for obvious reasons ($$$), and then pick and choose which Ivy League school he will attend."
o yah, where in the 6 are u livin?