Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?
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There has only been 1 fight between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican that has done 1 million PPV Buys...and both of them were UNDEFEATED, YOUNG, HAD IDENTICAL OPPONENTS. These two losers Canelo and Cotto shouldn't be interrupting a damn thing...potential 300K event..versus 2-3 million...lol!!! Plus Cotto is the A-side not Canelo so hold it in New York and do it on Cotto's national holiday. Last thing has Cotto even agreed to this fight or even a date yet?
If you truly think Canelo vs Cotto isn't a huge fight I don't know what to tell you. It's one of the biggest fights in the sport. May obviously makes sense, unless They want to wait till the end of 2015. Now obviously if they went head to head against Mayweather vs Pacquiao it would have much lower numbers. That's not going to happen though.No one would be stupid enough to do that. Canelo wants to fight on his national holiday,makes sense being he has a huge Mexican fan base. This isn't rocket science here.
All this Canelo/ Cotto shit is doing is confusing Pacquaio fans who "HATE ON MAYWEATHER AT ALL COST"...you defend Arums stupidity...then you in effect go against Pacquaio who is trying to fight Mayweather on May 2nd (Manny DUCKED THE FIGHT AGAIN via Bob Arum)...or you side with Mayweather (which you would rather die first) and let Pacquaio finally get embarrassed (finally get rid of this poser). So...your either with Floyd and Manny or against Arum, De LaHoya, and Canelo (for trying to block the fight) to hurt Floyd. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I bet Cotto ain't stupid enough to do that...what the F does Cotto gain from helping Alvarez do some dumb shit like this? Hey bro I'm gonna go head to head with Floyd to get my country back I need your help...you might lose money...it will take place on MY holiday...for my people. Cotto is thinking F that dumb shit...I can rematch Floyd for my Middle Weight belt on May 2nd and make MORE MONEY...plus give Floyd a shot at holding 3 division belts at one time Welter, Jr Middle and Middle Weight...how much you think Floyd would pay me for that!?!? And me and Floyd can STILL do it on YOUR holiday Saul. Manny can fight Vargas lol.
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You are thinking waaaay too hard.
This is the basic point summed up nice and neat, it isn't about picking anyone's side just common sense:
-If no Mayweather vs Pacquiao, Canelo should fight on cinco de mayo (this is something he's said for a long time now) because he's Mexican.
-If Mayweather vs Pacquiao does happen, they can fight on any date they choose including cinco de mayo and no one, including Canelo, Cotto, Jesus, Allah or Vishnu, would even dare fight on the same day.
That's it.
This is the basic point summed up nice and neat, it isn't about picking anyone's side just common sense:
-If no Mayweather vs Pacquiao, Canelo should fight on cinco de mayo (this is something he's said for a long time now) because he's Mexican.
-If Mayweather vs Pacquiao does happen, they can fight on any date they choose including cinco de mayo and no one, including Canelo, Cotto, Jesus, Allah or Vishnu, would even dare fight on the same day.
That's it.
No one is planning on going head to head with Mayweather vs Pacquiao, that's why that retarded Chris Williams article is irrelevant. HBO and SHOWTIME would both be involved in the PPV, there couldn't be any other fights.
If Mayweather is going to fight someone like Danny Garcia or some shit, sure they probably would go head to head and they'll get very good PPV buys. Here's the thing though, if that were really the scenario, Mayweather most likely wouldn't even fight on cinco de mayo holiday weekend. His people aren't dumb. It all depends on who agrees to fight who. Once that's sorted out, the dates will be determined.
If Mayweather is going to fight someone like Danny Garcia or some shit, sure they probably would go head to head and they'll get very good PPV buys. Here's the thing though, if that were really the scenario, Mayweather most likely wouldn't even fight on cinco de mayo holiday weekend. His people aren't dumb. It all depends on who agrees to fight who. Once that's sorted out, the dates will be determined.
I think the date being in question is retarded. Show me a Mexican that won't find a way to watch the fight if it was the week after Cotto/Canelo. Fights like that cause you to pool your money together and order PPV's like we used to back in the day. Seems like that happens less and less nowadays. People will order the damn fight May 9th, June 22nd, or Christmas day. Doesn't matter.
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so you are saying that Manny vs Floyd, yes I put manny's name first, would sale less if it's not on Cinco DE mayo weekened?
“The only Mexican in the group (of fighters who may battle on 5/2) is Canelo Alvarez,” Arum told RingTV.
Will these two finally get in the same ring in 2015?
“And to poach on that date, which is a Mexican holiday, by non-Mexicans, shows a terrible disrespect for the Mexican people, both those living in Mexico and those living in the United States. And anybody who does the poaching ought to be ashamed of themselves. That goes for hotels and that goes for fighters and that goes for any of us.”
Will these two finally get in the same ring in 2015?
“And to poach on that date, which is a Mexican holiday, by non-Mexicans, shows a terrible disrespect for the Mexican people, both those living in Mexico and those living in the United States. And anybody who does the poaching ought to be ashamed of themselves. That goes for hotels and that goes for fighters and that goes for any of us.”
If the Canelo and Cotto fight is already signed, it could be an issue of contractual agreements with other entities. In this case, it may be hard to break the contract with them or do another date without paying big money. All of this is just hypothetical, but whatever the case may be, these two will not fight. THE DRAMA BEHIND THIS POTENTIAL FIGHT IS TIRESOME. IT'S SOME HE SAY SHE SAY BITCH SHIT FROM GROWN MEN.
Far as I know...the fighters represented by Top Rank Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao haven't signed or agreed to either fight...but it seems Canelo is all ready on his side...it seems Floyd is all ready on his side..with Arum in he middle trying to figure it all out...1- how to escape Mayweather 2- How to avoid Canelo (because Arum really doesn't want to do business with Oscar) 3- figuring out how to get Manny out of this jam so he can face Vargas. What do you think?
Ok, I'm reading that Canelo's side has agreed to terms and sent the papers back.
Canelo agrees to fight Miguel Cotto - Bad Left Hook
As for what I think, he may be trying to escape Floyd and by he I mean Arum. I've always said Arum has been the biggest problem with this fight being made, after that it is Manny and after that Floyd. No party is innocent in this. As for number 2, TR and Golden are doing business and Arum said they plan on doing more fights together, so we'll see. For point 3, it makes more financial sense for Manny to fight Floyd and Manny's biggest mistake was resigning with TR. That, to me, was the biggest fuckin mistake in all of this because he had the chance to go his own way, play his own hand, and fight Floyd without Arum interfering.
But now I'm reading that WEIGHT, not money, is the hold up and that Manny wants him at 147, not at a catchweight.
Manny Pacquiao Responds To Floyd Mayweather?s Challenge | BoxingInsider.com
Canelo agrees to fight Miguel Cotto - Bad Left Hook
As for what I think, he may be trying to escape Floyd and by he I mean Arum. I've always said Arum has been the biggest problem with this fight being made, after that it is Manny and after that Floyd. No party is innocent in this. As for number 2, TR and Golden are doing business and Arum said they plan on doing more fights together, so we'll see. For point 3, it makes more financial sense for Manny to fight Floyd and Manny's biggest mistake was resigning with TR. That, to me, was the biggest fuckin mistake in all of this because he had the chance to go his own way, play his own hand, and fight Floyd without Arum interfering.
But now I'm reading that WEIGHT, not money, is the hold up and that Manny wants him at 147, not at a catchweight.
Manny Pacquiao Responds To Floyd Mayweather?s Challenge | BoxingInsider.com
There is no hold up over weight...they Team Pacquiao just stated their desire for 147lbs Floyd ain't gonna say let's do it at 154lbs...it's not optimal for either fighter.--->
Indeed, Spin.ph also reports that Michael Konz, Pacquiao’s adviser, echoes his man’s sentiments. “We’ll not gonna throw any monkey wrench in there to manipulate or cause any unnecessary difficulties,” he’s reportedly said.
One thing Pacquiao and Konz do appear to be serious about, however, is the matter of weight. “If the Floyd fight is made, we will fight at 147. We will not put a catch weight in there,” Konz is quoted as saying.
Indeed, Spin.ph also reports that Michael Konz, Pacquiao’s adviser, echoes his man’s sentiments. “We’ll not gonna throw any monkey wrench in there to manipulate or cause any unnecessary difficulties,” he’s reportedly said.
One thing Pacquiao and Konz do appear to be serious about, however, is the matter of weight. “If the Floyd fight is made, we will fight at 147. We will not put a catch weight in there,” Konz is quoted as saying.
Read the article, better yet, just focus on what you just took from the article and then read about previous negotiations and how weight was negotiated.
Manny and camp: "No catchweight and 147. Anything over that and you have to pay us $10 million like last time."
Floyd and camp: "Floyd Mayweather is not paying Manny $10 anything like last time because he is the B-SIDE and Floyd Mayweather is the A-SIDE. He has no room to negotiate"
Another hold up, this fight isn't going to happen.
Manny and camp: "No catchweight and 147. Anything over that and you have to pay us $10 million like last time."
Floyd and camp: "Floyd Mayweather is not paying Manny $10 anything like last time because he is the B-SIDE and Floyd Mayweather is the A-SIDE. He has no room to negotiate"
Another hold up, this fight isn't going to happen.
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