Stanford University Hip Hop Conference (KRS Meltdown)

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May 24, 2005
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Whattup y'all... I'm posting u a link to the actual audio of the Hip Hop Conference that went down last Saturday over at Stanford University. Now if y'all aint up on it, it was pretty big history making event.
A lot of cats was there, it was mostly writers and academics, rappers like Boots from the Coup, and the infamous KRS threatening to whoop up on fools!
This shit had maaaad controversy, but let me know what y'all think...

http://odeo.com/audio/843458/view

here is part 2:

http://odeo.com/audio/846607/view

basically, I want the Bay Perspective...
can KRS talk all this shit?
does anyone even care of this Adisa vs. KRS?
and what about the other discussion points?
 

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First let me say I appreciate you posting this.

I'm sorry that this forum doesn't ALWAYS support intelligent discussion about things that affect our hip-hop community. If it's not about the current trends then we don't usually address them or discuss them.

At any rate, I am about 50% through it and I will post my comments when I'm done. It's definitely a good listen.
 
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i peeped this on kpfa last night very intresting krs was out of character if u ask me i just heard the first part i will peep the second and leave sum thoughts nice post homie pz
 
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i got a problem with KRS, anything that does not appeal to his ear it's not hip hop. So if every artist out there rapper/mc rapped like him, he would most likely approve it. I like his old hits and shit, but who is he to speak about other artist?. I think KRS has mental issues, i mean for him to say who can be part of the hip hop culture and who can not be..that's fucking crazy....

this is why he lost many fans....he think's he's G.O.A.T., but he's really not...
 
May 15, 2002
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to say Kris is full of himself is an understatement - according to him he is the living embodiement of hip hop

he is feeling himself to the fullest.
 
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It's been settled

http://p076.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefrm70.showMessage?topicID=188.topic

Afrika Bambaataa Brokers Peace Between KRS and Adisa
by Davey D

Yesterday March 9th on the anniversary of what was the 9th anniversary of the tragic slaying of the Notorious BIG, a good thing happened that would hopefully send a signal to people that his and 2Pac’s death did not happen in vein. A peaceful resolution between two high profile individuals within Hip Hop who have a had a war of words for more then a year was established. This war of words escalated intoan unfortunate and ugly incident at a Conference held at Stanford University this past weekend. We’re talking about the Blastmaster KRS-One and writer Adisa Banjoko.


The original source of their conflict is not that important. In all due respect, we should be focused on the lack of progress by our government in restoring the 9th Ward in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Can you believe there are still scores of un-recovered bodies there?

We should be focused on the war between the garbage being spewed by commercial radio under the banner of Hip Hop. We should be concerned about all the new laws and designed to snatch our liberties by the guy who sits in the house on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Washington DC.But with all that being said, what took place yesterday was a beautiful thing.

Hip Hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa got the two men together and helped work through the conflict. During the intense conversation both men came to see that there’s a larger picture in terms of protecting Hip Hop and dealing with some very real outside enemies that are attacking the culture and our communities. Both KRS and Adisa talked like grown men with a sense of purpose and showed respect for one another as they agreed that this conflict should not have played itself in the public stage the way that it had and that it was now time for them to put all this behind them and move on to bigger things that need their attention.

Both men also agreed that there were some hurtful things they have said to and about each other. They also owned up to some of the actions they undertaken have reflected poor judgment and could've been done differently and more importantly, more respectfully. That included the way things were handled this past weekend on Saturday at Stanford by KRS on down to the way Adisa initially challenged KRS to a debate on his philosophy. Both men also clearly understood that it's important to stand up and show the world that folks can have major disagreements and still come to a peaceful resolution while maintaining their respective view points… In other words there’s room for everyone to co-exist. They also came to the conclusion of keeping the lines of communication open.

A big shout is in order to Afrika Bambaataa who demonstrated true leadership that was reflected yesterday in his years of handling and dealing with conflicts… His example and wisdom is one that we can all learn from and follow… Hip Hop needs that now. Big shout out to KRS and Adisa for keeping it real and seeing the greater good… I ran into KRS last night at his show in LA at the Viper Room and he was not only on fire, but feeling pretty damn good things got worked out. I spoke with Adisa who also felt good and is ready to focus his attention on other pressing issues like the current Black-Brown conflicts that seem to be plaguing certain areas of the Golden State.
 

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KRS has fallen off to me...I saw him speak about 14 years ago at Sonoma State University and dude AMAZED me......Since then it's been a downhill slide with the whole "I AM Hip-Hop" shit...I still remember most of what he said and still appreciate it but I'm gonna hafta listen to this tonite and see what it's all about
 
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why do people have a problem with krs calling himself the god of hiphop when he has contributed more of himself to perserve hiphop than any other rapper i can think of. but when 2pac called himself the thug lord nobody seemed to care daspite the fact he never put in work on the street.
 

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krs will always have my respect for his contributions to hip hop. it kinda saddened me to hear him "getting thug" on adisa. I can't comment on their fued since I know nothing of it...but what got me is that krs still hasn't accepted that hip hop is a culture that is not just black. there have been too many contributions by so many other races to even think that. thats like saying krs is hip hop, but crazy legs isn't. dj q bert isn't. lee & the rest of the cast of wild style isn't hip hop. that shit sickened me, coming from the "teacher". I would've liked to hear the everything in its entirety, but from listening to the 2 audio parts, it was mainly just a "who I am and why am I hip hop" introduction from each panel member starting and ending with krs...thus progressing his ego even more into thinking hip hop revolves around him...
 

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I re-listened to the audio and I feel the same way I did when I posted in another thread yesterday and stick with what I said yesterday...

Originally posted by Doxx
Honestly it seems like KRS is just too gassed up by his "I am hip hop" view of himself. I was a huge fan of KRS back in the day and he is a cornerstone of hip hop without a doubt (there's no denying that), but his grand vision of himself and his lack of vision in regards to others contributions to hip hop is disappointing.
 

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That was a great thing to listen to, I think there were a lot of both positives and negatives that came out of that panel discussion.

First off for KRS-ONE, if he truly has a problem with another person who is a part of the panel on which he is speaking, but the panel is so important to him and what he represents as Hip-Hop and it's culture and movement, as a respect to the movement and culture and as a respect to everyone involved, the speakers, the people watching and listening, he should have kept those thoughts and feelings to himself, at least until after the panel was over and then approached the person he has the problem with and settled it. KRS-ONE is a highly respected educator of Hip-Hop, for him to use his time to speak, to verbally attack another person, no matter what problems they have between them, was not a good look for the purpose and toward the out come of the discussion. For him to speak of the other person not being a thug, for him to say he wants to come across the table and beat his fuckin ass is a display of the ignorance that Hip-Hop tries so hard to get away from.

Second, I think Davey D made some wonderful points about Hip-Hop coming full circle, especially when he was talking about the Bay Area Hip-Hop scene tying in with the rest of Hip-Hop in other areas, I think that was very important and I appreciate him for bringing that up, for mentioning people like Keak Da Sneak and the Hyphy and Thizz Movements, and how they tie together with the rest of Hip-Hop and help it come full circle. BUT he also made some very valid points about how even though Keak and a lot of other popular artists are running radio, there is almost no presence of groups and artists like Hiero, The Coup and other artists who may not necessarily fit the mold of typical radio sound or topics.

Third, I have the utmost respect for the pioneers of Hip-Hop, like the ones on the panel, KRS-ONE, Busy Bee, etc... I have met DJ Kool Herc, Melle Mel, Sugar Hill Gang, Rev. Run, and it was a great honor to me. I am very proud to be a White person who is very much a part of the Hip-Hop movement. But what I did not like hearing from panelists like KRS-ONE and Busy Bee was element of separation that they really seem to want to put into action within the United States. They started off first by attacking the music that is out today, and repeatedly saying how it is not real Hip-Hop and is not authentic, Busy Bee repeatedly said He is a real Hip-Hopper, and nobody will debate that he is, but why can't what is going on today be real Hip-Hop. We are all products of what they created. We are and should be very proud of what they did for us. They tried to regionalize the issue as well, saying if you're not from some part of New York, you are not Hip-Hop, how can that be though, when you have people on the panel from Florida, New York, The Bay Area, and other areas. Now I do fully understand their frustrations with today's music, a great majority of it is senseless and does not say anything, but, all in all, it is still Hip-Hop, and by the music continuing on, it is a product and appreciation of what they created. Yes, KRS-ONE made some very valid points about how Hip-Hop and the culture is exploited and the money is not going back to the community, but I'm speaking of the music specifically, music today evolves as it always has, Hip-Hop is today what it was back then, but it has evolved into one of the biggest cultures ever created in this world.

Fourth, Continuing with the idea of separation, I also did not like the fact of the points KRS-ONE was trying to drive home at the end of the discussion. He spoke of wanting to seperate Black culture and people from the rest of the nation. He spoke of having a Black president, and Black voting, and basically Black separation from the rest of the people in this country. I think this is not a good statement and could be dangerous. Is this very thing that he is speaking of, not the very thing that Black people have been fighting so very hard for, for hundreds of years now, for equality, for acceptance, to be able to live and be recognized. Wouldn't what he is saying take things a step backwards? I understand he feels that this government and country does not represent him, but how can you truly have a country and a government within another country and government. Imagine if this took place, so then should there be an Asian president in the U.S.? Should there be a Latin president in the U.S.? and so on. It would be chaos. Isn't one of the greatest things that this United States has been built on, that it is a melting pot of people, cultures, races, religions, and backgrounds. And with that comes Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is a wonderful melting pot of all backgrounds, nothing has ever been able to bring people together like this.

Lastly I do have to say, that even though he did later correct himself, for KRS-ONE to say that if you attend college, you ARE NOT Hip-Hop, that was a very wrong statement. He said if you attend college, you cannot be Hip-Hop, you better be an MC, a B-Boy, a Graf Writer, one of the 5 elements, but you cannot be in college and be Hip-Hop. That is bullshit, and just the fact that they were even at Stanford University speaking, shows that the students and faculty ARE HIP-HOP. There is a demand for Hip-Hop education in today's educational system. I do appreciate that he later corrected himself for that statement, but I still cannot believe he would say something like that. Him, who has spent so much of his life trying to educate people. I also was very appreciative of Davey D's rebuttable to the statement, and where he surveyed the crowd and asked how many of them are participating in some element or form of Hip-Hop.

I apologize that I typed so much, actually I really don't, because if you really are a product of this generation, you should be passionate about this and appreciate when somebody truly has something to say.
 
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KRS is saying, just because you listen to rap don't make you hip hop. And thats what them college motherfuckers do if they not actually doin one of the elements. All they do is listen to some rap, or interview someone and then think they can dictate shit, and make claims.

KRS is right. Blacks want all that good shit and have fought hard for it. But being able to drink from the same fountain as a white person is not enough. If blacks can't get total equality from a white run nation, they need they own black run nation.

Rap is apart of hip hop. Just cause someone takes hip hop music, but uses it to talk about other culture (usually in rap its gangsta culture) don't make it hip hop. The music is hip hop, but the culture isnt.

I agreed with eveything Kris was saying on that tape. He did get out of hand but to me he was right.