Gangsta Vs M.C...
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Good topic....i respect BOTH...but i hate when idiots try to clown on gangsta rappers and start that 'its not real hip hop' bullshit. Too many people around where I'm at reckon that rappers should only use big vocabulary words & methaphors and shit.
If you don't they clown real hard. Personally i prefer gangsta rappers. Vocabulary is simple, but real easy to listen to & easier to follow. Plus i reckon its more interesting & touches on many more topics. Backpacker MC's all seem to rap about 'destroyin other mc's' and it gets played out after 3 or 4 songs.
If you don't they clown real hard. Personally i prefer gangsta rappers. Vocabulary is simple, but real easy to listen to & easier to follow. Plus i reckon its more interesting & touches on many more topics. Backpacker MC's all seem to rap about 'destroyin other mc's' and it gets played out after 3 or 4 songs.
Agreed. A lot of Hip-Hop "heads" just can't admit that they might enjoy a street Rap CD. That's part of why West Coast and (the more graphic) Southern Rap doesn't get a lot of respect from critics and fans on the Northeast. They have one idealized picture in their minds of the way Rap is supposed to sound, and anything that doesn't fit their perception gets dissed...
Pam Grier once said that the kind of movies that she was in (i.e. COFFY, FOXY BROWN, etc.) and the "Blaxploitation" genre in general (SHAFT, SUPERFLY, DOLEMITE, BLACK CAESER, THE MACK, etc.) got shitted on in the 1970s', because the so-called conscious folks didn't want people to know that not everyone was living well, nor had everyone "overcome." IMHO, you don't have to mentally stretch too far to apply this analogy to underground street Rap.
Think of it this way: not everyone can relate to being "the dopest MC on the mic" (a favorite topic of M.C.'s), but just about EVERYONE can relate to the ideas of fearing for one's life, the possibility of being stepped to or gaffled, being mistreated by those in "authority", wanting out of the ghetto but not knowing how to go about it, and/or having to fight for what you have (favorite topics of "Gangsta rappers"). It's all "based on a true story", as Mack 10 once said.
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Pam Grier once said that the kind of movies that she was in (i.e. COFFY, FOXY BROWN, etc.) and the "Blaxploitation" genre in general (SHAFT, SUPERFLY, DOLEMITE, BLACK CAESER, THE MACK, etc.) got shitted on in the 1970s', because the so-called conscious folks didn't want people to know that not everyone was living well, nor had everyone "overcome." IMHO, you don't have to mentally stretch too far to apply this analogy to underground street Rap.
Think of it this way: not everyone can relate to being "the dopest MC on the mic" (a favorite topic of M.C.'s), but just about EVERYONE can relate to the ideas of fearing for one's life, the possibility of being stepped to or gaffled, being mistreated by those in "authority", wanting out of the ghetto but not knowing how to go about it, and/or having to fight for what you have (favorite topics of "Gangsta rappers"). It's all "based on a true story", as Mack 10 once said.
PEACE!
Great, great analogy. I agree 100%. I made a post a long time ago about this same thing and basically people said they got bored of gangsta rap. They said they are looking for metaphors, rhyme scheme, and interesting vocabulary.
Me, I love good gangsta rap, I'd rather just call it hard core. I can appreciate the backback rappin (I think that is officially a phrase now - thanks Yuk) because its clever. Very clever. But then again backpack fans prolly could say the same thing about hard-core rap because they talk about the same thing over and over, too.
The difference is, as somebody stated, you gotta make em FEEL it. No matter what you talk about. Braggin rappin goes way back, but you could feel Too $hort's "Don't Stop Rappin". Just felt flossy.
But you gotta support the hard core rap or it will go away completely. The backpack rappers have a easier time getting support, radio, etc. If you love that hard shit.... buy it!!
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Me, I love good gangsta rap, I'd rather just call it hard core. I can appreciate the backback rappin (I think that is officially a phrase now - thanks Yuk) because its clever. Very clever. But then again backpack fans prolly could say the same thing about hard-core rap because they talk about the same thing over and over, too.
The difference is, as somebody stated, you gotta make em FEEL it. No matter what you talk about. Braggin rappin goes way back, but you could feel Too $hort's "Don't Stop Rappin". Just felt flossy.
But you gotta support the hard core rap or it will go away completely. The backpack rappers have a easier time getting support, radio, etc. If you love that hard shit.... buy it!!
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so whose considered gangsta and whose an "mc" cuzz i disagree with what each talks about. to me a real emcees doesnt necessarily always talk about destroyin a nigga and what-not. take yukmouth, he is on sum gangtsa shit in my opinion but his lyrics are far more complex and use a variety of patterns and styles and even metaphors than most "backpack" mc's. look at kurupt the same way, he talks about all this crazy metaphoric type shit with gangsta shit too. i dig real mc's like talib, mos def, and dead prez but respect yukmouth, san quinn and others like them. most gangsta aint tlakin bout upliftin the hood they talkin bout destroyin it, i.e c-bo, and brotha lynch type cats, which is watever cuzz i grew up on this shit now im old enuff to see the difference and appreciate each for wat it is
Thats the reason why people clown on gangsta rappers. It's too simple and repettitive. I am not saying that it's not real, a lot of it is not really bringing anything new to the table. Same with MCs since they are trying to destroy whoever it is on the mic like you stated. But MCs have a little more variety to their lyrical plate, I tend to listen to MCs more since their lyrics basically are meant to baffle people with the wordplay and wits type thing!
Good feed back all responces on point. I feel this is a dilemma amoungst Bay Area Artist. The West Coast has perfected "Gangsta Shit" to the point it is considered Hip Hop to a Back Pack Rapper/MC. Feel Me? The East Coast has prided themselves on True Hip Hop, Yet the ones who are hot been Thuggin it out on Wax for a minute now. Hip Hop is from the Streets so I can't knock em for it...Now Im a firm believer If you dont Live it then dont Spit it. If you speak about it you better be about it.
I personally like to hear some slick shit in a song. A perfect example is Big L. he always says smooth lines that make you go DAAM.
What I don't like is when dudes start rapping like this:
The MC creation is the annihalation of the scientific mathematical formulation & my methaphoric explotation results in wack MC's destruction...vlablabla....
^ That shit I can't stand.
What I don't like is when dudes start rapping like this:
The MC creation is the annihalation of the scientific mathematical formulation & my methaphoric explotation results in wack MC's destruction...vlablabla....
^ That shit I can't stand.
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when i think of mc's i think of the east coast and all those old school wack cats out there that call themselves MCs.i really dont think or too many west coasts cats as MCs,to me they are rappers,so i would go with gangsta,cause its basiclly choosing bewteen gangsta rap and hip-hop,or even west vs. east however you look at it.when i think of hip-hop i think of mainstream,soft lyric type music,like black eyed peas and ppl like that,i dont listen to that shit.i dont listen to hip-hop..i listen to rap.you can say that its part of the hip-hop culture or whatever but i dont think so.
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when i think of mc's i think of the east coast and all those old school wack cats out there that call themselves MCs.i really dont think or too many west coasts cats as MCs,to me they are rappers,so i would go with gangsta,cause its basiclly choosing bewteen gangsta rap and hip-hop,or even west vs. east however you look at it.when i think of hip-hop i think of mainstream,soft lyric type music,like black eyed peas and ppl like that,i dont listen to that shit.i dont listen to hip-hop..i listen to rap.you can say that its part of the hip-hop culture or whatever but i dont think so.
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That goofy outer space shit is just corny to me...I cant stand them backpackers that think using seven syllable words that nobody can understand makes you a "real" hip hop artist. None of those cats got any real musical talent. I like rappers who make music that you can feel, but are clever and original with it at the same time. Big L was a perfect example...that guy rapped with simple words, but he was real slick and witty.
That goofy outer space shit is just corny to me...I cant stand them backpackers that think using seven syllable words that nobody can understand makes you a "real" hip hop artist. None of those cats got any real musical talent. I like rappers who make music that you can feel, but are clever and original with it at the same time. Big L was a perfect example...that guy rapped with simple words, but he was real slick and witty.
I see emcees as cats who treat the music like the artform that it is. There are hella gangsta rappers that are emcees (jayo,kurupt,crooked i, syko). The super miracle lyrical stuff is just as bad as the brainless g raps if you ask me. but i'll take the mediocre g raps over the offbeat webster's raps anyday cause usually they'll have tighter beats.
to me it doesnt matter...as long as the lyrics are good...like ol boy said earlier...people who dont even listen to gangsta rap will automatically say a certain rapper is wack...but if they were to just shut up and listen to lyrics from rappers like C-Bo,Lynch,T-Nutty...they would see these n!ggas got skills on the mic...its the mainstream rappers that make them think this way
I Luv Gangsta shit...I just can't feel 38 murders on one album. Be Real that shit is fake as fuck. Unless your on America's Most... Your listening to some ol Bullshit. Most of us in this shit are grown ass men liable to do some Gangsta Shit when it comes 2 Fam, Bread and Survival. Nino Brown's aint Rapping.
Thats real!!!! that shit irritates the fuck out of me.
That shits really real!!!
As far as Hip-hop vs. rap this is what i've come to understand and agree with since i seen this definition come out of the mouth of the originators....this shits only like 27-29 years old?....Hip-Hop is the premier culture created by Black and Latino inner city youths, mainly from new york (not entirely though Westcoast poplockers est. mid 70's??). Hip hop music now labeled as rap is just one aspect of this culture. As the cat earlier stated the other aspects are breakdancing, djing, and visual art(grafitti) as well as way of dress and speak. Hope this helps.
That shits really real!!!
As far as Hip-hop vs. rap this is what i've come to understand and agree with since i seen this definition come out of the mouth of the originators....this shits only like 27-29 years old?....Hip-Hop is the premier culture created by Black and Latino inner city youths, mainly from new york (not entirely though Westcoast poplockers est. mid 70's??). Hip hop music now labeled as rap is just one aspect of this culture. As the cat earlier stated the other aspects are breakdancing, djing, and visual art(grafitti) as well as way of dress and speak. Hope this helps.