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How did you arrive to these conclusions? You think all therapists are a scam?
I bet you can go to 10 therapists and all 10 will end the session by trying to prescribe you the same exact "medicine". I also bet all 10 are on some type of anti-depressant and/or SSRI themselves.

It's an industry that solely exists to prop up another industry. They don't exist to heal you, they exist to keep you sick so you keep needing their "treatment".


Yeah, getting off of it this week, can’t go cold turkey cuz I guess you become at risk for seizures so gotta slowly stop
This post sums up why "medication" is the biggest scam that exists. They push that shit on you so your body becomes completely dependent on it to even function at a basic level, so you get stuck on it forever and the ones who do try and quit go through withdrawals so bad most will give up and just go back on the "medicine".
 
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Eat clean - this is a big one, all the chemicals being put in our food has been linked to numerous mental disorders and even brain deteriorating disorders like alzheimers.

Exercise - proven to release dopamine in your body, which helps you maintain a good mood.

Fix your gut bacteria with probiotics - key to both mental and physical health. If your gut bacteria is working like a machine, your body as a whole is working like a machine.

Get enough B and D vitamins - extremely important vitamins for mental health.

Let sun touch your skin for at least a few minutes a day - natural vitamin D, proven to release dopamine in your body.

and if you still need something extra, get some CBD
 
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The serotonin uptake inhibitors the doc gave you, take a couple months to start really working full effect. But just know that you'll become dependent on them to stay happy.

Alot of people dont realize it but hard drug use and even very long use of weed and alcohol causes anhedonia. Best thing to do is cut all substance use. Even Coffee. Anything that is mind altering. And dont smoke weed either. Eat healthy do a detox. And try to travel and go on vacations and do shit like hiking . Get rid of toxic ppl in life. If your job sucks and ppl at work are toxic, try to find a better place to work. Its tough but these are the things I had to do. Dont give up just keep at it.
 
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Hey bro,

Sorry to hear you're experiencing this. I've never experienced either and used to think anxiety and depression are made up by people who have nothing better to do or going on in their life until both got a severe hold of me last year at the age of 34.

I still haven't found a solution but I can tell you what takes the edge of for me to keep me fighting.
1. Do not smoke weed or drink. Both are depressants and I found they will hinder your ability to fight what you're going through.

2. Weight lifting. I always lifted but I train extra hard when I'm going through it and I feel it's saved my life.

3. Maintain a routine. Get up at the same time every morning, make your bed every morning, have a breakfast around the same time etc.

I got this from a guy I look up to called Jordan Petersen, he is a world famous clinical psychologist who specialised in helping young men. Loads of material from him on youtube.

Good luck. Those of us who have had to fight these demons know this isn't easy.
 
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“In a sensible world, I would have got my 15 minutes of fame...I feel like I’m surfing a giant wave … and it could come crashing down and wipe me out, or I could ride it and continue. All of those options are equally possible.” -Jordan Peterson

Even he says it is nonsense right there.

Nuff said
 
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There will always be a force(s) working against you in your existence. Welcome to the real world. You have to remember that there is/are also a force(s) with you. It doesn't matter if you believe in a god and a devil, good and evil, whatever you phrase those opposites of the whole- they are. The words don't exist- just what we term as force.

Sometimes that opposite force is YOU also.

So with that said, why in the living fuck would your monkey ass assume you should listen and take someone as God (aka authority) that is not, while they are sitting in some room, getting paid to sit in that room to listen to you? How often do you read their notes they are writing down on you? How often do you listen to their audio recordings of your sessions? How often do you read what they type up in their computer about you and what you say and do? You know NOTHING. And they know NOTHING what it's like to be YOU.

YOU ARE YOU. THEY ARE NOT YOU.

What is their goal and objective? What is their motivation? Do they form unhealthy opinions in their own lives? Do they make unhealthy choices in their lives? If they do those opinions and choices spill into everything they touch, eventually. Everyone does at some point if not many points, for we are all flawed to some extent. The dark will come to light.

You will never find yourself through someone else.
 
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Not drinking, smoking weed/cigs or doing street drugs is a great way to return your brain to a normal state to reassess your issues. I would suggest you take the medication prescribed by your doctor for some time until you feel better and talk to the doc to ween off of them. Docs are going to be a little more trained in medicine than your average siccness poster. But a good doc will also tell you western medicine has a lot of limitations and won’t cure mental health.
 
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Bullshit. Email Mike Tyson and ask for help with the toad- tell him what you are "suffering." He will get you farther than the institution for the institution wants you institutionalized. You can sleep in your own bed at night and still be institutionalized, think about that shit.
 
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I would suggest you take the medication prescribed by your doctor for some time until you feel better and talk to the doc to ween off of them.
The first red flag is that they're trying to put something in somebody's body that they have to "ween off".

Have you ever met somebody who has been prescribed anti-depressants who were only prescribed them temporarily? Everybody I've ever known spent years on them and when they wanted to stop taking them were ALWAYS told by their "doctor" that it "wouldn't be a good idea to stop, even if you feel better now".

I'm 36, I've known dozens of people in my life prescribed that shit, they were handing it out like candy to people in my high school back in the 90's. Now days a ton of people I knew on them had to get off them on their own without doctors help, they spent years dependent on pills to even function. The amount of times I've seen posts on my social media like "This is the first time in years my brain has felt clear" from old friends who quit their anti-depressants and SSRIs and had to go through withdrawals on their own is crazy.

Those same doctors you trust to prescribe you that shit also get money from pharmaceutical companies every time they prescribe somebody that poison. Ever go into a doctors office and see how the pens and the notepads have pill brand logos all over it? You shouldn't be going to talk to a therapist and they have Prozac logos all over their office. It's fucking gross.

If you need proof of Doctors not giving a shit about you and shoving pills down your throat for profit read up on all of the stories right now about pharmaceutical companies flooding the Midwest (which is in an opiate addiction crisis) with fentanyl and oxy. Towns of 10,000 people having millions of pills in them......and guess who is handing out millions of pills to opiate addicted towns of 10,000 people? Doctors.

Docs are going to be a little more trained in medicine than your average siccness poster. But a good doc will also tell you western medicine has a lot of limitations and won’t cure mental health.
The problem with Doctors in therapy being "trained" is they don't have to update their skill set. A therapist in his 60's who got his PhD in the 1970's can still be "treating" patients without having learned anything new. They treat people with an archaic pseudo-science that hasn't had updates in decades and their treatments always lead to them handing you a piece of paper with the name of a pill on it.

The OP of this thread is 21 years old and is on prescribed anti-depressants. I highly highly highly doubt OP is clinically depressed. That's a major fucking problem with our society. These quacks are shoving pills down people's throats for being gloomy. They won't even have people try lifestyle changes first before going the pill route, they prescribe a pill on day fucking one.
 
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It's funny, I spent years not trusting doctors, then just a couple years ago I had one of my most fucked up interactions with a doctor in my life at the VA hospital. I went in there because I spent years not being able to sleep, figured I had sleep apnea, so I wanted to get a sleep study done. Since it was an issue with sleep, they had me talk to a psychotherapist.

When I saw the guy, I didn't talk to him for more than 5 minutes before the motherfucker immediately assumed I have PTSD and that's why I can't sleep and prescribed me Prozac AND Lorazepam. He said the Prozac would help me with my "depression from PTSD" and the Lorazepam would help me with the anxiety that is keeping me from sleep. Mind you, I never once mentioned anything about being depressed or PTSD.

I argued with him a little bit and talked him into letting me get a sleep study, but he still wanted me to try the pills (I flushed them down the toilet lol). I got the sleep study, but it took a couple months, but guess what was wrong with me? Fucking sleep apnea lol

A doctor tried their hardest to shove a SSRI that people become highly dependent on and a highly addictive Benzo down my throat for no reason whatsoever when my problem was physical, not mental.

These motherfuckers are snakes.
 

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The first red flag is that they're trying to put something in somebody's body that they have to "ween off".

Have you ever met somebody who has been prescribed anti-depressants who were only prescribed them temporarily? Everybody I've ever known spent years on them and when they wanted to stop taking them were ALWAYS told by their "doctor" that it "wouldn't be a good idea to stop, even if you feel better now".

I'm 36, I've known dozens of people in my life prescribed that shit, they were handing it out like candy to people in my high school back in the 90's. Now days a ton of people I knew on them had to get off them on their own without doctors help, they spent years dependent on pills to even function. The amount of times I've seen posts on my social media like "This is the first time in years my brain has felt clear" from old friends who quit their anti-depressants and SSRIs and had to go through withdrawals on their own is crazy.

Those same doctors you trust to prescribe you that shit also get money from pharmaceutical companies every time they prescribe somebody that poison. Ever go into a doctors office and see how the pens and the notepads have pill brand logos all over it? You shouldn't be going to talk to a therapist and they have Prozac logos all over their office. It's fucking gross.

If you need proof of Doctors not giving a shit about you and shoving pills down your throat for profit read up on all of the stories right now about pharmaceutical companies flooding the Midwest (which is in an opiate addiction crisis) with fentanyl and oxy. Towns of 10,000 people having millions of pills in them......and guess who is handing out millions of pills to opiate addicted towns of 10,000 people? Doctors.



The problem with Doctors in therapy being "trained" is they don't have to update their skill set. A therapist in his 60's who got his PhD in the 1970's can still be "treating" patients without having learned anything new. They treat people with an archaic pseudo-science that hasn't had updates in decades and their treatments always lead to them handing you a piece of paper with the name of a pill on it.

The OP of this thread is 21 years old and is on prescribed anti-depressants. I highly highly highly doubt OP is clinically depressed. That's a major fucking problem with our society. These quacks are shoving pills down people's throats for being gloomy. They won't even have people try lifestyle changes first before going the pill route, they prescribe a pill on day fucking one.
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You have some very valuable points and it's definitely a good thing to see a perspective that is completely against medication, I never thought that medication could necessarily be a bad thing at all, but honestly haven't been seriously educated at all on the effects, the science behind it, etc.

I've seen my therapist since I was a junior in high school, I'm currently about to be a senior in college. When I was in high school, she recommended antidepressants, but I always passed because I felt uncomfortable with putting pills I don't know shit about inside of my body. I also would say I had significantly less life experience back then and just generally was nowhere near as smart as I am now. Which is normal.

I'm a Christian (which also happens to be my name) and had breakfast with my pastor recently. He thought the same thing; you got to naturally heal, not rely on antidepressants to do the work for you. I would not classify myself as lazy at all, but I've been frustrated as fuck because I've been tryna change (learning from negative experiences with people and changing my behavior or even things like changing my diet and eating healthier) but I've still felt like at times ending myself and genuinely feeling like a piece of shit. I don't wanna feel that way bruh. I got a family and a younger brother with special needs I gotta look out for, supportive friends, career goals.

And that's what drives me nuts bro. I got a lotta good shit going for me. I'm well aware that people have it way worse than me, have had extremely rough upbringings, and just deal with way worse shit in general. And yet shit like ending myself pops into my head. I tend to not show a lotta emotion in front of others, but when I'm on my own my mind fuckin races. So I'm not sure what I'd classify that as if not depression, but regardless of what the term is I'm tryna change for fuckin good. Sure not everything is gonna be good all the time, that's life. But I'd at least like to feel good more often than bad.

Anyways, I appreciate your feedback bro you always have quality shit to say on here.
 
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“In a sensible world, I would have got my 15 minutes of fame...I feel like I’m surfing a giant wave … and it could come crashing down and wipe me out, or I could ride it and continue. All of those options are equally possible.” -Jordan Peterson

Even he says it is nonsense right there.

Nuff said
He was referring to his accidental notoriety as a result of his stance on mandatory use of gender pronouns. I disagree with you completely but I respect your point of view, it's fine. Let's not hijack the guy's thread.
 
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Not drinking, smoking weed/cigs or doing street drugs is a great way to return your brain to a normal state to reassess your issues. I would suggest you take the medication prescribed by your doctor for some time until you feel better and talk to the doc to ween off of them. Docs are going to be a little more trained in medicine than your average siccness poster. But a good doc will also tell you western medicine has a lot of limitations and won’t cure mental health.
This.
 
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The first red flag is that they're trying to put something in somebody's body that they have to "ween off".

Have you ever met somebody who has been prescribed anti-depressants who were only prescribed them temporarily? Everybody I've ever known spent years on them and when they wanted to stop taking them were ALWAYS told by their "doctor" that it "wouldn't be a good idea to stop, even if you feel better now".

I'm 36, I've known dozens of people in my life prescribed that shit, they were handing it out like candy to people in my high school back in the 90's. Now days a ton of people I knew on them had to get off them on their own without doctors help, they spent years dependent on pills to even function. The amount of times I've seen posts on my social media like "This is the first time in years my brain has felt clear" from old friends who quit their anti-depressants and SSRIs and had to go through withdrawals on their own is crazy.

Those same doctors you trust to prescribe you that shit also get money from pharmaceutical companies every time they prescribe somebody that poison. Ever go into a doctors office and see how the pens and the notepads have pill brand logos all over it? You shouldn't be going to talk to a therapist and they have Prozac logos all over their office. It's fucking gross.

If you need proof of Doctors not giving a shit about you and shoving pills down your throat for profit read up on all of the stories right now about pharmaceutical companies flooding the Midwest (which is in an opiate addiction crisis) with fentanyl and oxy. Towns of 10,000 people having millions of pills in them......and guess who is handing out millions of pills to opiate addicted towns of 10,000 people? Doctors.



The problem with Doctors in therapy being "trained" is they don't have to update their skill set. A therapist in his 60's who got his PhD in the 1970's can still be "treating" patients without having learned anything new. They treat people with an archaic pseudo-science that hasn't had updates in decades and their treatments always lead to them handing you a piece of paper with the name of a pill on it.

The OP of this thread is 21 years old and is on prescribed anti-depressants. I highly highly highly doubt OP is clinically depressed. That's a major fucking problem with our society. These quacks are shoving pills down people's throats for being gloomy. They won't even have people try lifestyle changes first before going the pill route, they prescribe a pill on day fucking one.
It sounds like we agree to disagree. Doctors ween/taper patients off a number of drugs and patients do stop taking antidepressants based on their doctors recommendation.

Most Doctors go to school longer than any other occupation, they’re trained for several years under apprenticeship programs, they need to keep a certification status, and they’re required to keep up on current medical developments through continuing education. On top of that, like most people, they want to be good at their jobs. Doctor’s prescribed opioids because medical research indicated there were almost no consequences - in the past 5 years or so medical research has shown the consequences of opioids and doctors no longer prescribe them.

While I share your concern about pharma and understand there’s definitely bad actors and incompetent personnel in any occupation doctors are trained professionals and the overwhelming majority are focused on patient care over corporate interests. I also think our medical system is far from perfect and needs improvement. And as I mentioned in my original approach there are limitations to western medicines approach to mental health which is why doctors also advocate major lifestyle changes in addition to prescribing medication.

But I don’t think you just discount what a bunch of trained professionals say about your health. If you don’t trust a doctor you should get a second opinion or find a doctor that you do trust. But we all can choose our own path and if you have medical issues and don’t need the advice or experience of trained professionals that’s up to you.
 
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It sounds like we agree to disagree. Doctors ween/taper patients off a number of drugs and patients do stop taking antidepressants based on their doctors recommendation.
Most Doctors go to school longer than any other occupation, they’re trained for several years under apprenticeship programs, they need to keep a certification status, and they’re required to keep up on current medical developments through continuing education.
What you just described are Medical Doctors not therapists. A PhD therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist (the one's who actually can prescribe medication) have zero requirements for retain, especially therapists in private practice. Licensed counselors (with no PhD or Doctorate) on the other hand, do have to retrain and keep up current on certs, but they also can't prescribe medication and are generally good people who's sole purpose is to talk to you. These are the people who generally have your best interest at heart and will try every last effort before recommending you to go see somebody who does prescribe pills.

There's numerous articles I've read throughout the years, most written by therapists themselves that talk about the lack of advancement in therapy in decades. You should read them, they're easy to find.

On top of that, like most people, they want to be good at their jobs. Doctor’s prescribed opioids because medical research indicated there were almost no consequences - in the past 5 years or so medical research has shown the consequences of opioids and doctors no longer prescribe them.
5 years? The opioid epidemic was known about in the 90's. Oxy's were in the news regularly back then for killing people. And what do you mean by "doctors no longer prescribe them"? There's literally news articles almost every day from all over the country about doctors currently as we speak over prescribing them.....hence the epidemic.

While I share your concern about pharma and understand there’s definitely bad actors and incompetent personnel in any occupation doctors are trained professionals and the overwhelming majority are focused on patient care over corporate interests.
The corporate logos all over their offices tell me otherwise.

I also think our medical system is far from perfect and needs improvement. And as I mentioned in my original approach there are limitations to western medicines approach to mental health which is why doctors also advocate major lifestyle changes in addition to prescribing medication.
The problem is they advocate medication on DAY ONE. They don't allow people to try lifestyle changes first before

But I don’t think you just discount what a bunch of trained professionals say about your health. If you don’t trust a doctor you should get a second opinion or find a doctor that you do trust. But we all can choose our own path and if you have medical issues and don’t need the advice or experience of trained professionals that’s up to you.
You're putting a lot of trust in to the word "trained". Hospitals for example pay billions of dollars a year in America for medical malpractice, because these "trained professionals" fuck up regularly. The different between MD's and therapists though is you generally have proof when an MD fucks up. You can't sue a therapist for getting you strung out on pills.
 
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