Boxing schedule for the month of June

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#21
I think if Martinez wins fairly easy, and isn't injured, he'll fight GGG next because that's the next biggest money fight out there for him. Well, unless Canelo officially moves up to 160

And if Martinez does retire, at least the #1 MW can fight the #2 and new lineage will begin. Otherwise the MW crown will be held hostage by welterweights fighting eachother at 155 catchweights.
If Canelo KO's Lara, and Martinez outclasses Cotto, I see Alvarez-Martinez happenin. More money and definitely a Vegas Super show b/c its the only way we can see what coulda happened w/ Canelo-JCC jr
 

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50/50? This is a mismatch. Martinez via rape
Assuming all is well with Martinez. If his knee isn't that great, or he's not in that great of shape because of concerns about pushing himself too hard in training on that knee, it spells trouble for him. I think there are a lot of "what if" scenarios in this fight and that's what really makes it interesting to me. 2 years ago, I think it's a bludgeoning. I hope it still is now. It's not like Martinez hasn't been extremely vulnerable against lesser skilled and experienced guys than Cotto.
 
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If Canelo KO's Lara, and Martinez outclasses Cotto, I see Alvarez-Martinez happenin. More money and definitely a Vegas Super show b/c its the only way we can see what coulda happened w/ Canelo-JCC jr
Which I'm cool with since Canelo has proven he'll fight the best and if he becomes MW champ he won't turn down Golovkin. IMO Canelo is turning out to be the modern day Oscar de la hoya - might not be the absolute best fighter in the world but he'll fight anyone and everyone. If Canelo's stretch of opponents is Trout, Floyd, Angulo, Lara, Martinez, Golovkin.... shiiiiiit, that's Oscar status
 
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Assuming all is well with Martinez. If his knee isn't that great, or he's not in that great of shape because of concerns about pushing himself too hard in training on that knee, it spells trouble for him. I think there are a lot of "what if" scenarios in this fight and that's what really makes it interesting to me. 2 years ago, I think it's a bludgeoning. I hope it still is now. It's not like Martinez hasn't been extremely vulnerable against lesser skilled and experienced guys than Cotto.
We gotta put that other stuff out the window. What if Segios knee is bad, what if he didn't train hard, none of us know that so it's speculation. What we can look at is the fight match up or the style match up. Cotto vs Trout. That tells me all I need to know about how effective Cotto is against a bigger guy who boxes on the outside. Add Sergio's handspeed to the mix...not looking good for Miguel.
 

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We gotta put that other stuff out the window. What if Segios knee is bad, what if he didn't train hard, none of us know that so it's speculation. What we can look at is the fight match up or the style match up. Cotto vs Trout. That tells me all I need to know about how effective Cotto is against a bigger guy who boxes on the outside. Add Sergio's handspeed to the mix...not looking good for Miguel.
I know what you're saying, but it's not like Sergio has been untouchable, even before the injuries. Cotto is smaller, but Martinez is small for he MW division too. Sergio is 39 coming off of a 2nd knee surgery, multiple injuries, and a year layoff. None of those things are speculation. But either way, I hope Cotto gets murked.
 

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Which I'm cool with since Canelo has proven he'll fight the best and if he becomes MW champ he won't turn down Golovkin. IMO Canelo is turning out to be the modern day Oscar de la hoya - might not be the absolute best fighter in the world but he'll fight anyone and everyone. If Canelo's stretch of opponents is Trout, Floyd, Angulo, Lara, Martinez, Golovkin.... shiiiiiit, that's Oscar status
I've been saying that for awhile too. It seems like DLH really passed that info on to him. DLH was gay as could be and fools loved to hate on that guy, but he fought EVERYONE that would fight him for better or worse. If you're Canelo, you gotta know you're not Mayweather and you're not going to be able to cherry pick fights forever. So going the DLh route, even if you lose some fights here and there, will make him a grip of money and probably more fans than he already has.
 
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I know what you're saying, but it's not like Sergio has been untouchable, even before the injuries. Cotto is smaller, but Martinez is small for he MW division too. Sergio is 39 coming off of a 2nd knee surgery, multiple injuries, and a year layoff. None of those things are speculation. But either way, I hope Cotto gets murked.
The only times Sergio has ever looked vulnerable was against true middleweights with a high and tight defensive guard. He struggles against that kind of style. Yeah he'll get knocked down here and there but it's almost always more from being off balance not being hurt, other than Chavez, but that was in the 12th round and big ass Chavez was like 185 pounds and Sergio was fatigued. Cotto can't apply that kind of pressure for 12 rounds.

I just see Cotto's fragile face getting ripped apart. I mean if Sergio did this to Chavez I can't imagine Cotto's face:

 
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Do you think Cotto took Trout lightly? It seemed like he thought he was going to walk right through him.

I'm realistic and know that Cotto has been dismal at best and I thought one eyed Willie Margarito was actually coming on late in their 2nd fight but simply couldn't overcome the eye issue. He was barely licensed for crying out loud. I think the Rodriguez win was way overstated. and I hope Cotto loses something awful.

But I look at fights as objectively as I can. As fat as Martinez was on 24/7, I'm not convinced that he's going to be in that great of shape. You never know what someone's game plan is going to be going into a fight, but I think they both have a number of things stacked against them. I wouldn't be surprised to see either guy win and that's why I thought it was a 50/50 fight. I really think Martinez's health is in question here.
 
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Martinez is always heavy before fights though, he walks around between 180-190. I remember people were trippin cus in the rematch with Paul Williams at the 30 day weigh in he was like 185 or some shit.

I don't think Cotto took Trout lightly I just this it was an awful style match up for him. I remember wheb they announced the fight I was wondering what the hell he was thinking. Coming off the Mayweather loss that was a bad decision of opponent.
 

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I've seen him at 185 before and he didn't look FAT like that from what I remembered. He just looked bigger. He didn't look big this time, it just looked like there was a ton of fat on him which isn't good.

The Trout matchup was bad. He's 6-4 in his last 10. Had multiple hard fights in there and 2 knockout losses. I really think people are making too much of his win against Rodriguez but I guess we'll see how much Martinez has left. That's really what has me non-committal on this fight.
 
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Martinez isn't a big MW, I'll give you that, but Martinez has the style that lends itself to win out of your weight class. He's fairly elusive, has good hand speed, and has good enough power to keep people from disregarding his power. Cotto just doesn't have that style that you look at and think he can fight bigger men without getting punished for it.

I think Cotto can still be competitive with guys and don't think he's full blown shot, but Sergio isn't one of those guys. As for Sergio being 39, I think they're both comparable in ring age as Cotto's taking far more punishment in the ring that Sergio ever has.
 
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The difference between Cotto before and after Trout was his approach to the fight, that's why people are making a big deal about when he fought Rodriguez. Pedro Diaz made Cotto fight a very defensive style type fight vs Trout and even Mayweather. He can throw way more punches, power punches at that, and he proved that on his last fight. Cotto is short, but he's hella stocky up top. Plus he's healthy. Roach is making a huge difference
 

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The difference between Cotto before and after Trout was his approach to the fight, that's why people are making a big deal about when he fought Rodriguez. Pedro Diaz made Cotto fight a very defensive style type fight vs Trout and even Mayweather. He can throw way more punches, power punches at that, and he proved that on his last fight. Cotto is short, but he's hella stocky up top. Plus he's healthy. Roach is making a huge difference
He proved it against a tomato can who was ranked 17 by one body and not even ranked by others. A cab driver that just had a draw on espn or fox boxing two or three weeks ago.
 
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^^^and what did Trout do to Rodriguez? If styles make fights, Cotto fought a style that he shouldn't have vs Trout. That's why he lost. He gave Trout too many opportunities.
 
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The problem with that line of thinking is that you're going off what you think would happen. All I can judge Cotto Vs Trout on is what I watched with my eyes. Guys regret shit they did all the time in fights, you hear it all the time, a bunch of "I would've won if.." stories.

Trout lost his next 2 fights to guys that I think would beat Cotto at this point, I'm not fully convinced Trout wouldn't win again if they were to fight tomorrow.
 
May 13, 2002
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^^^and what did Trout do to Rodriguez? If styles make fights, Cotto fought a style that he shouldn't have vs Trout. That's why he lost. He gave Trout too many opportunities.
Trout MADE Cotto fight like that because Trout utilized his jab and peppered Cotto from the outside. Cotto's trainer wasn't telling him, "hey miguel, let him keep you at bay with his jab and look completely ineffective in the ring!" Trout simply is a bad match up for Cotto. He has a long reach, he's tall and uses a jab. Awful style for a smaller Cotto to deal with.