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FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S ADVICE TO TERENCE CRAWFORD ON PACQUIAO: "IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY...HE'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT"
By Ben Thompson | November 25, 2015
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"If Terence Crawford happens to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to let him know that it's not going to be easy. Even though I know I made it look easy, it's not going to be easy," stated retired undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who cautioned undefeated jr. welterweight champion Terence Crawford about a potential clash with 8-division world champion Manny Pacquiao. Although Pacquiao has yet to decide the opponent for his anticipated return to the ring next April, Crawford is one of the frontrunners to land the assignment.

"The motherfukker can fight. He's a lot better than what I thought he was. From me being in the ring with Manny Pacquiao, I take my hat off to him and I can see why he went so far in his career. Terence Crawford gotta realize that Pacquiao is bigger and stronger than Yuriorkis Gamboa, and he hits harder," Mayweather explained during a recent conversation with FightHype.com. "Not taking anything away from Yuriorkis Gamboa because I think he didn't fight Yuriorkis Gamboa at 100%, but I don't ever want to take anything away from Terence Crawford because I like that kid. I really, really like that kid. I don't want to take anything away from him because he can really fight. He can fight, but I don't want him to think that just because I made it look that easy with Pacquiao, it's going to be that easy."


FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S ADVICE TO TERENCE CRAWFORD ON PACQUIAO: "IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY...HE'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT" || FIGHTHYPE.COM

 

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Damn R.I.P

Former boxing champ O’Neil ‘Supernova’ Bell killed in Atlanta

A man killed Wednesday in an early morning robbery and shooting along a southwest Atlanta street was a former boxing champion from Jamaica who was living in in the metro area.

The Fulton County Medical Examiner’s office identified the man killed as 41-year-old O’Neil Bell.

Bell, whose nickname was “Supernova,” held the WBA, WBC and IBF cruiserweight boxing titles during a 13-year career that ended in 2011.

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1 dead, 1 critical after shooting near bus stop


Channel 2 Action News reported that Bell and another man had just gotten off a MARTA bus on Harbins Road shortly after midnight and were walking down the street when a vehicle drove up with two men inside.

“We’re being told that there may have been some type of vehicle involved, a PT Cruiser, and robbery may be the motive,” Atlanta police Lt. Charles Hampton told Channel 2.

Responding officers found Bell dead in the street with a gunshot wound. He had also been stabbed, according to Channel 2.

“We actually had another victim who was shot in the right hip and transported down to Grady [Memorial Hospital] who’s in critical condition at this point,” Hampton said.

Police have not released the second man’s name, but his sister told Channel 2 that he was not with Bell, and that they only got off the bus at the same time.

 

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Dan Rafael chat wrap 11/25:

Canelo-Cotto:
- Figured for Cotto to win he would have to outbox Canelo, so not entirely surprised the fight wasn't a slugfest.
- No official PPV numbers, but has been told it will be at least 900k.
- Not all PPV numbers are created equal regarding success/failure. A PPV needs to sell enough to cover costs, the total number isn't always most important because costs vary. The reason why a 900k (not official) number for Canelo-Cotto is a success vs. why a 900k number for a Floyd PPV is considered a failure.
- Had Jay Z assisted in promoting the fight certainly would have done even more buys.
- Canelo likely could be fighter of the year and have the KO of the year.
- HBO is going to replay Muira-Vargas, Canelo-Cotto, as well as Klitschko-Fury on Saturday.
- There is a rematch clause in the contract, so a rematch is certainly possible.
- The right fighter won, but thought the scorecards were too wide. Nearly every media person ringside had it 116-112 or 115-113 Canelo.
- Canelo vs. Bradley is very unlikely because Canelo is just too big. Now Cotto vs. Bradley would be interesting, but doubts Arum would make it.
- Nothing on who Canelo will fight next, but RN said he would fight on Cinco de Mayo weekend.
- Canelo vs. GGG, Cinco de Mayo weekend at Cowboy Stadium is not improbable, but most likely GGG and Canelo do not fight next.
- If Lemieux rebounded and got a couple wins, then a fight with Canelo would be interesting.
- More likely GGG gets the winner of Lee-Saunders, than Canelo.
- Cotto has always been a sore loser, just like Tito Trinidad.
- Canelo and GGG can negotiate a catchweight. If the fight goes to purse bid, they cannot negotiate a catchweight.
- GB fought against having the concert during the PPV, it was all Roc Nation. Thought it was a crap fest.
- There was a loud bang (sounded like a bomb) during the concert and many people in the stands ducked for cover. Many ringside didn't know what was going on. Roc Nation should apologize for it as it was dangerous and tasteless.
- Julian Jackson vs. Canelo? Jackson could KO anyone in boxing history at 154 or 160.
- Believes Weeks stopped the Muira-Vargas fight at the right time.
- Canelo likely to be mostly on PPV going forward, but his contract does allow him to be on regular HBO.
- In person very obvious how much bigger Canelo was vs. Cotto.
- The atmosphere in the arena was excellent.

The rest of boxing:
- Wlad KO's Fury in the mid-rounds.
- Does not know if Wlad-Fury has a rematch clause, but knowing Klitschko's camp they likely have one and paid well to get it.
- Wlad has told him he will fight for as long as he feels healthy. Not thinking about retirement.
- Bute will make a good account of himself, but DeGale will win. Picking DeGale by KO.
- It will be quite a while before Rigo is on HBO again. His performance actually made him not interested in a Lomachenko fight. His style remains amatuer and it is not fun to watch. Why did he land only 21% of his punches against a journeyman? Rigo did win every second of the fight. The judge who gave the opponent 3 rounds, must have dozed off.
- Arum said Manny should decide his next opponent in the next few days to week.
- JMM is not in the running to be Pacquiao's next opponent because JMM does not care to fight again.
- Thurman vs. Porter is apparently being moved to a later date TBD.
- Garcia vs. Guerrero is an okay fight, but not the one you want to see from PBC. Guerrero has looked done as a fighter his last 4 fights.
- Angel vs. Ruben is slightly more interesting than the fight, but is over their nonsense and not particularly interested in their antics.
- Thought Abraham beat Murray 7-5. The WBO ordered that Abraham fight Gilberto Ramirez next. A Hopkins vs. Abraham fight could not happen until after Abraham-Ramirez.
- Nothing new on what is next for Beterbiev. He is recovering from shoulder surgery.
- Kathy Duva says she is trying to work on getting Stevenson-Kovalev made in the summer.
- Rank Morales, Barrera, and Marquez? 1. Marquez, 2. Barrera, 3. Morales.
- Anthony Joshua is the best up and coming HW.
- Teddy Atlas was the one who voted Ward #1 in the ESPN PFP rankings.
- He was surprised Wlad is so low in their PFP rankings.
- Wilder and Glazkov are finalizing their fight. Espinoza is not right in saying the fight is signed. They are currently working on a rematch clause.
- Nobody gives a crap about Charlo vs. Campfort. There were better fights for Charlo/PBC at 154.
- Inoue will fight again on Dec. 29.
- Martinez vs. Salido 3 is happening next year. Don't expect a Muira-Vargas rematch right away.
- Robert Garcia and TR are very high on Saul Rodriguez.
- Unlikely Vargas gets a rematch with Bradley in 2016.
- Bradley vs. Ali is still a possibility.
- GGG would decapitate Lara.
- Ronnie Rios could possibly be on HBO again with the right fight.
- Ring magazine stripping Stevenson is completely pointless. He doesn't respect Ring magazine. Adonis is still the lineal champ, which is more important.
- Bob Foster was a true gentleman and nice guy. RIP.
- Thurman should be promoted to regular WBA champion next month when the WBA finally gets around to addressing the Floyd, belt situation.
- HBO likely not to show Lee-Saunders. There is a dispute between the promoters on who gets the US TV rights and HBO will not get in the middle and risk litigation. They would rather just pass on the broadcast.
- Haymon will not be hiring Taffert (HBO).
- They never announced the PPV buys for Mosley-Mayorga. Would have been lucky to do 10k.
- Spence vs. Brook? That fight is a long ways off...but Spence can compete with anyone at 147.


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A hitch in the Glazkov-Wilder negotiations: Main Events is refusing to give @LouDiBella future options on Glazkov. It's a sticking point.
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Damn R.I.P

Former boxing champ O’Neil ‘Supernova’ Bell killed in Atlanta

A man killed Wednesday in an early morning robbery and shooting along a southwest Atlanta street was a former boxing champion from Jamaica who was living in in the metro area.

The Fulton County Medical Examiner’s office identified the man killed as 41-year-old O’Neil Bell.

Bell, whose nickname was “Supernova,” held the WBA, WBC and IBF cruiserweight boxing titles during a 13-year career that ended in 2011.

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1 dead, 1 critical after shooting near bus stop


Channel 2 Action News reported that Bell and another man had just gotten off a MARTA bus on Harbins Road shortly after midnight and were walking down the street when a vehicle drove up with two men inside.

“We’re being told that there may have been some type of vehicle involved, a PT Cruiser, and robbery may be the motive,” Atlanta police Lt. Charles Hampton told Channel 2.

Responding officers found Bell dead in the street with a gunshot wound. He had also been stabbed, according to Channel 2.

“We actually had another victim who was shot in the right hip and transported down to Grady [Memorial Hospital] who’s in critical condition at this point,” Hampton said.

Police have not released the second man’s name, but his sister told Channel 2 that he was not with Bell, and that they only got off the bus at the same time.

The first O'Neil Bell vs Jean Mormeck was one of the best cruiserweight fights I've seen. RIP

 

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The first O'Neil Bell vs Jean Mormeck was one of the best cruiserweight fights I've seen. RIP

+ It was a great fight to establish a lineal champion in the division for the first time since Holyfield. Not many guys that could call themselves the man in that division and Bell was one of them. RIP

 

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+ It was a great fight to establish a lineal champion in the division for the first time since Holyfield. Not many guys that could call themselves the man in that division and Bell was one of them. RIP

Very true.

And their rematch is when I truly realized how HORRIBLE open scoring is. Completely ruined what started out to be another classic. I always point to that fight as an example of why I oppose it.

 

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So now, the WBC is trying to tell big name fighter GGG to wait a lil to fight MEGA SUPERSTAR Saul "Canelo" Alvarez:
WBC Prez Would Approve Canelo/GGG Doubleheader - Boxing News

 

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So now, the WBC is trying to tell big name fighter GGG to wait a lil to fight MEGA SUPERSTAR Saul "Canelo" Alvarez:
WBC Prez Would Approve Canelo/GGG Doubleheader - Boxing News

They aren't saying to wait they are saying they are fine with a double header IF BOTH SIDES AGREE to that since that was tossed around as an idea by Golden Boy and the WBC commented on it. So basically if GGG wants to enforce his mandatory position, the WBC will enforce it. However if Canelo and Golovkin strike a deal to have another fight first, a double header event where both fight on the same card to build the fight a little more, that's fine as long as they come to terms.

I'm sure K2 is open to the idea as long as they agree to fight. I mean, Canelo and Golovkin on the same card would be dope especially with the premise that they fight eachother after. But if Golden Boy isn't serious about signing the fight, K2 is getting this forced to a purse bid and then Canelo either accepts or hands over the title.

 

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@naner12

What do you think about The Ring stripping Stevenson of the Ring belt because of soft opposition?

The Ring belt is so confusing now and I'm not sure how I feel about it anymore. Pre-Golden Boy, it was THE belt that mattered the most as far as I was concerned. It meant you were lineal champion. It was a physical belt that you could actually see for the imaginary "lineal title".
Now, I do like the sound of fighters being stripped of their belt for not doing the right things (fighting mandatories, fighting good opponents, etc) and being held accountable, but in this case, they can strip Pascal of the Ring Belt but he's still lineal champion.That should only come from sanctioning bodies, not The Ring imo. In theory, Kovalev could win The Ring belt, without fighting Stevenson, while being unified in having every other belt at 175, but still not be lineal. Krusher could have the 4 major belts plus The Ring belt. Stevenson is still Lineal champ. So if The Ring belt does not equal lineal, what is it worth? It's worth nothing as far as I'm concerned. It's been devalued greatly. The whole point fighters went after the Ring Belt was to be lineal champion, take that away and who really cares?

I was skeptical when The Ring started tinkering with their rules (no longer was it only #1 vs #2 could create a lineal champ, it became #1 vs #4 or #2 vs #3). They just don't have the credibility that they used to which is a real shame considering the history and now it's so devalued they might as well scrap the whole Ring Title idea.

 

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Heres a great idea. Why dont Stevenson and Kovalev fight eachother so we know who is lineal champion. I mean GGG and Ward both wipe out there divisions and dying to fight a top fighter yet these 2 are in the same damn division

 

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We know who the lineal champion is, it's Adonis Stevenson.

I never really cared much about the Ring belt but I agree that it made it easier for people to see who's the real champion in the division. You can't be stripped of a lineal championship and as much as the Ring would like to associate themselves with them determining the lineal champion, they don't. If anything it just makes the Ring belt another useless trinket that's not worth anything.

They've done this previously when they deemed Erdei to not be a rightful lineal champion in the division and gave the Ring belt to Hopkins when Erdei was still campaigning in the division and hadn't "lost" in the division. People just didn't like or know who Erdei was so it was easier to dismiss.

You can criticize Stevenson's opposition since becoming the lineal champion but he hasn't left the division and he hasn't lost in the division in a scheduled title fight.

 

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Speaking of pussy shit. GBP and Canelos camp still on that pussy shit

Canelo's Trainer To Golovkin: Come To 155, We'll Fight!


Eddy Reynoso, trainer of Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (46-1-1, 32KOs), was very pleased with his fighter's performance on Saturday night at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Canelo defeated Miguel Cotto by unanimous decision and became a two-division champion by capturing the WBC middleweight title.

Reynoso said that they will continue to strive for excellence and that they are very proud of the 25-year-old Canelo's performance.

"We are very happy and we are going to keep working hard. We will keep showing that Mexican boxing is one of the best styles with some of the best champions and trainers," Reynoso told BoxingScene.com.

When asked about a potential future fight with IBF/WBA/IBO/WBC interim middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs), who is the WBC's mandatory challenger, Reynoso said they are willing to face anyone but only on their terms.

"We are ready to fight anyone at 155 pounds. We are very comfortable at this weight. If he wants to come to this weight we will fight anybody," said Reynoso.

Prior to the fight the WBC reiterated that if Alvarez emerged victorious, he would have to face Golovkin in his next bout.

 

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Heres a great idea. Why dont Stevenson and Kovalev fight eachother so we know who is lineal champion. I mean GGG and Ward both wipe out there divisions and dying to fight a top fighter yet these 2 are in the same damn division

right exactly. I guess Main Events/Haymon/HBO can't figure out a way to get it done. Well at least we have Kovalev vs Ward to look forward to, supposedly. Stevenson seems to have declined.

 

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We know who the lineal champion is, it's Adonis Stevenson.

I never really cared much about the Ring belt but I agree that it made it easier for people to see who's the real champion in the division. You can't be stripped of a lineal championship and as much as the Ring would like to associate themselves with them determining the lineal champion, they don't. If anything it just makes the Ring belt another useless trinket that's not worth anything.

They've done this previously when they deemed Erdei to not be a rightful lineal champion in the division and gave the Ring belt to Hopkins when Erdei was still campaigning in the division and hadn't "lost" in the division. People just didn't like or know who Erdei was so it was easier to dismiss.

You can criticize Stevenson's opposition since becoming the lineal champion but he hasn't left the division and he hasn't lost in the division in a scheduled title fight.

I can't remember the whole Erdei situation, but wasn't it that he declared he was going to cruiserweight and/or retire and vacated his title so the Ring took the belt and then some time afterwards he changed his mind and stayed at 175? Because the rule was you can only lose the belt by getting beat, retiring or leaving the division. And he did announce his retirement and/or leaving the division. In any event, I recall it being a weird, messy situation which wasn't something that happened almost ever. But now it's all fucked up.

 

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I can't remember the whole Erdei situation, but wasn't it that he declared he was going to cruiserweight and/or retire and vacated his title so the Ring took the belt and then some time afterwards he changed his mind and stayed at 175? Because the rule was you can only lose the belt by getting beat, retiring or leaving the division. And he did announce his retirement and/or leaving the division. In any event, I recall it being a weird, messy situation which wasn't something that happened almost ever. But now it's all fucked up.

Nah it went before Erdei really. The lineage at the time was this ..

Virgil Hill beats Henry Maske (unification fight between the #1 & #2)
Dariusz Michalczewski beats Virgil Hill (3 belt unification so even if you didn't recognize the lineage starting @ Hill Vs. Maske it's not debatable that it started here)
Julio Cesar Gonzalez beats Dariusz Michalczewski
Zsolt Erdei beats Julio Cesar Gonzalez

Ring for whatever reason didn't recognize the lineage and made RJJ their champion in 2001, which was incorrect. My point was they've done this nonsense before but because guys like Michalczewski, Gonzalez, & Erdei weren't that well known here it was easy to dismiss it. I think anyone who follows stuff like lineal champions knows who the actual lineal champion is, no matter how much we may not like the opposition he's been fighting.

 

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Because the rule was you can only lose the belt by getting beat, retiring or leaving the division.

Technically yes, but the fighter has to actually leave the division.

i.e. In 2011 Marco Huck was the #1 ranked cruiserweight, Yoan Pablo Hernandez #2, Steve Cunningham #3.

Hernandez/Cunningham fight on 10/01/2011 as #2 & #3.

Huck fought Rossi on 10/22/2011 at CW.

Because of the way Hernandez/Cunningham ended a rematch was scheduled and because of the way the division was at the time they both kept their rankings with the only argument was to flip flop Hernandez/Huck.

Hernandez beats Cunningham again on 02/04/2012

Huck loses to Povetkin at heavyweight on 02/25/2012. Huck was never removed from the rankings because he hadn't officially left the division yet.

Had Huck/Povetkin happened on 02/03/2012 - Hernandez Vs. Cunningham becomes a lineal title fight and Hernandez would be the lineal champion to this day.

 

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Nah it went before Erdei really. The lineage at the time was this ..

Virgil Hill beats Henry Maske (unification fight between the #1 & #2)
Dariusz Michalczewski beats Virgil Hill (3 belt unification so even if you didn't recognize the lineage starting @ Hill Vs. Maske it's not debatable that it started here)
Julio Cesar Gonzalez beats Dariusz Michalczewski
Zsolt Erdei beats Julio Cesar Gonzalez

Ring for whatever reason didn't recognize the lineage and made RJJ their champion in 2001, which was incorrect. My point was they've done this nonsense before but because guys like Michalczewski, Gonzalez, & Erdei weren't that well known here it was easy to dismiss it. I think anyone who follows stuff like lineal champions knows who the actual lineal champion is, no matter how much we may not like the opposition he's been fighting.

yeah thanks for refreshing my memory. I guess people didn't care because Erdei was an absolute embarrassment during his "reign" and regarded as a big joke, so I guess the Ring made an exception here giving it to Jones who was obviously better and beating good, ranked opponents unlike the bottom feeders Erdei was fighting. But you're right, this is a good example of the Ring doing this before.

 

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Nia Long/Ann Wolfe In Talks To Bring “Ann Wolfe Story” ?

Posted by Jeandra LeBeauf on Friday, November 27, 2015 · Leave a Comment
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What does Ann Wolfe and Nia Long have in common? Other than the obvious, it appears they are headed to the studio to bring Wolfe’s story to the screen. According to a post on her Facebook account, Wolfe is in talks with actress Nia Long (The Best Man, Love Jones, Friday) to bring her story to the screen. While nothing has been finalized, Wolfe isn’t the type to put outrageous stories out just to keep her name in the limelight.

Regarded by many as greatest female boxer of all time, former four weight class champion Ann Wolfe not only made her mark as a competitor but now as a sought after trainer.


http://www.badculture.net/nia-longann-wolfe-in-talks-to-bring-ann-wolfe-story/

 

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Nia Long/Ann Wolfe In Talks To Bring “Ann Wolfe Story” ?

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What does Ann Wolfe and Nia Long have in common? Other than the obvious, it appears they are headed to the studio to bring Wolfe’s story to the screen. According to a post on her Facebook account, Wolfe is in talks with actress Nia Long (The Best Man, Love Jones, Friday) to bring her story to the screen. While nothing has been finalized, Wolfe isn’t the type to put outrageous stories out just to keep her name in the limelight.

Regarded by many as greatest female boxer of all time, former four weight class champion Ann Wolfe not only made her mark as a competitor but now as a sought after trainer.


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That's really cool. Wolfe had a fucked up life, I'm sure it will make for a very dramatic movie. Can't wait to check it out.