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Bernie Sanders?
A 44 year career politician...
smh
only a fool's fool
What makes him rare is that in those 44 years he's been consistent in his views and his votes. He doesn't flip flop, he doesn't bend the knee to pressure and more impressively he's managed to be the only socialist Senator. "When I ran for the Senate the first time, I ran against the wealthiest guy in the state of Vermont. He spent a lot on advertising — very ugly stuff. He kept attacking me as a liberal. He didn’t use the word ‘socialist’ at all, because everybody in the state knows that I am that."

Given the negative stereotype of the world "socialist" it's remarkable that's he's been able maintain his position, let alone win in the first place. Of course Vermont is a lot different from most states, but impressive nonetheless.

For the life of me I can't figure out how people are cool with the idea of Hillary or Trump as our next president. The fuck?! Some of you are ok with that but not down to support OG Bernie?

Naturally I'd much rather put any support into revolutionary socialism, and I have for many years. Still the very idea of a candidate who is a socialist, albeit more of a democratic socialist, who has gained a significant chunk of support from Americans, is, in itself, very exciting. It represents a shift and perhaps evolution of society and is something that needs to be pushed further and further to achieve real, actual change, and one of the ways to help accomplish this is by supporting someone like Bernie who can bring these views and ideas to the mainstream. Small steps yes, but steps nonetheless. Supporting Sanders is more than simply giving an alternative to Hillary or Trump, it represents an opportunity to build an independent political voice for the vast majority of working class Americans (although after Sanders loses the Primaries, he absolutely should continue to run as an independent but I don't think he will). Anyways, just some food for thought. Obviously Sanders isn't some kind of revolutionary hero or some radical, but no one is saying he is.
 
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What makes him rare is that in those 44 years he's been consistent in his views and his votes. He doesn't flip flop, he doesn't bend the knee to pressure and more impressively he's managed to be the only socialist Senator. "When I ran for the Senate the first time, I ran against the wealthiest guy in the state of Vermont. He spent a lot on advertising — very ugly stuff. He kept attacking me as a liberal. He didn’t use the word ‘socialist’ at all, because everybody in the state knows that I am that."

Given the negative stereotype of the world "socialist" it's remarkable that's he's been able maintain his position, let alone win in the first place. Of course Vermont is a lot different from most states, but impressive nonetheless.

For the life of me I can't figure out how people are cool with the idea of Hillary or Trump as our next president. The fuck?! Some of you are ok with that but not down to support OG Bernie?

Naturally I'd much rather put any support into revolutionary socialism, and I have for many years. Still the very idea of a candidate who is a socialist, albeit more of a democratic socialist, who has gained a significant chunk of support from Americans, is, in itself, very exciting. It represents a shift and perhaps evolution of society and is something that needs to be pushed further and further to achieve real, actual change, and one of the ways to help accomplish this is by supporting someone like Bernie who can bring these views and ideas to the mainstream. Small steps yes, but steps nonetheless. Supporting Sanders is more than simply giving an alternative to Hillary or Trump, it represents an opportunity to build an independent political voice for the vast majority of working class Americans (although after Sanders loses the Primaries, he absolutely should continue to run as an independent but I don't think he will). Anyways, just some food for thought. Obviously Sanders isn't some kind of revolutionary hero or some radical, but no one is saying he is.
Forgive my ignorance, and forgive me for not having time to fully read your post above at the moment, but what has this 'great, groundbreaking' socialist senator done in 44 years? Vermont is 95% White, let's stop pretending Bernie Sanders is some great socialist in American History that brought equality of any kind to the forefront, let alone changed the stat quo in VT.
 
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Forgive my ignorance, and forgive me for not having time to fully read your post above at the moment, but what has this 'great, groundbreaking' socialist senator done in 44 years? Vermont is 95% White, let's stop pretending Bernie Sanders is some great socialist in American History that brought equality of any kind to the forefront, let alone changed the stat quo in VT.
It took you longer to type this than it would have to read my post in its entirety, at least I hope that's the case. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything about bringing about equality nor did I mention a single thing about race. A quick Google search will inform you regarding his career as a senator; educate yourself if you want, or don't. Regardless, the Senate is a pretty dysfunctional place, which makes it difficult for senators like Sanders who go against the grain to make a huge impact. Many supporters of his point to his consist record of sponsoring progressive legislation in the Senate. Here's a list:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357
 
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Bernie wants to give everything away for free. Our debt is in the trillions, he will never get elected. He has some good ideas, but most of it is just a pipe dream. Anyone but Hillary for fucks sake. I can't imagine listening to her snickering cunty ass for the next 4 - 8 years.
 
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Damn, Bernie beat the shit out of Hillary Clinton on the last debate. But the funny thing is all the Clinton supporters are blind to the fact her political record is in direct opposition to her political image.

I'm starting to warm up to the O.G. Bern
Yeah he destroyed her but it doesn't matter since the whole thing is rigged. Why are there "superdelegates" in the first place? It's literally a kill switch to make sure the candidate the democrat party wants wins, majority vote be damned.
 
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Yeah he destroyed her but it doesn't matter since the whole thing is rigged. Why are there "superdelegates" in the first place? It's literally a kill switch to make sure the candidate the democrat party wants wins, majority vote be damned.
Great point. I thought about that in regard to the retard Trump, who carries a populist backing and could feasibly be voted into office in a true democracy. I am actually glad the "kill switch" of super delegates exists to stop this from happening. I guess that's the double edged sword. Unfortunately it invalidates all the "your vote counts" messages.
 
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Great point. I thought about that in regard to the retard Trump, who carries a populist backing and could feasibly be voted into office in a true democracy. I am actually glad the "kill switch" of super delegates exists to stop this from happening. I guess that's the double edged sword. Unfortunately it invalidates all the "your vote counts" messages.
The republican situation is a bit different. Although it started out very similar - the democrats loved the youth Bernie was attracting, the disenfranchised, the far left, etc in hopes his supporters will ultimately vote for Hillary when the inevitable happens. This is an old strategy that literally happens every time, like Dennis Kucinich and the likes. Likewise the Republicans love the attention Trump brings but unlike the Democrats they don't really have a solid backing of another candidate, so they are left in this awkward position of not wanting to support Trump at all but without a strong number 2 they might be forced to or lose the election outright (although I'm sure there is plenty more to come to change this).

But yeah, superdelegates is a sham. I read somewhere 1 superdelegate is equivalent to 10,000 votes.
 
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Why? Because he wants to give everything away for free? He's quite unrealistic. People tend to forget our debt is in the trillions.
you said that already. What else you got? just playing.

I wish Bernie Sanders would get in the November election, but it's not happening.

I don't really know enough about Hillary Clinton so I may not be voting at all this time around.

I did read about how bad the prison system grew under the Clinton administration in "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. It's kind of fucked up to think that the surplus we enjoyed under Bill Clinton and the Incarceration rates could likely be related---more free labor. I'll never look at Clinton the same for sure.

Bernie Sanders on the other hand wants to legalize weed. I'm ALL IN on that and I don't even smoke, I think it could help this "war on drugs" bs that's fucking up whole communities.
 

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you said that already. What else you got? just playing.

I wish Bernie Sanders would get in the November election, but it's not happening.

I don't really know enough about Hillary Clinton so I may not be voting at all this time around.

I did read about how bad the prison system grew under the Clinton administration in "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. It's kind of fucked up to think that the surplus we enjoyed under Bill Clinton and the Incarceration rates could likely be related---more free labor. I'll never look at Clinton the same for sure.

Bernie Sanders on the other hand wants to legalize weed. I'm ALL IN on that and I don't even smoke, I think it could help this "war on drugs" bs that's fucking up whole communities.
Haha, I saw that after my last post, but nobody responded. :-(

Voting for Hillary because she is a woman, is like voting for Obama because he's black. Or voting for a gay candidate, just because he happens to be gay. Like something is going to change drastically just because they're the first type of X person to be in office. Trump has some good ideas, but he's a maniac at best and has no idea how to run a government. I think Clinton is just meh, she tells you what you what you want to hear. She seems like a sneaky cunt. I don't smoke either. I could care less about pot. I can't believe it's even an issue in 2016. If people want to smoke, let them. It will change our economy for the better. Alcohol is 1000x worse, and there is a liquor store/bar on every corner. Bernie wants everything for free, and has impossible goals. Also amnesty for all illegals would be a terrible thing.

That new Jim Crow book is comparing apples to oranges. There is a problem with poverty and incarceration in this country. But people need to stop blaming society, and come together as a whole. Whether it's black, hispanic, asian what ever. Stop feeling/doing bad and do some good. Strive to make it out of your situation.

I'm probably not going to vote. You're just voting for the lesser of one evil. I think some candidates have an agenda going in. But when they get elected they see whats really going on, and realize how fucked our situation is.
 
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I don't know about Trump having good ideas. I've never heard any of them.



^^^^Hillarious.

I think it's more damaging to not acknowledge the systematic racism in the judicial system (especially towards blacks) , than it is to point it out as a major obstacle in the way of racial justice and equality.

I have a track record of voting for the lesser of two evils. This year, I might not even bother.
 

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I don't know about Trump having good ideas. I've never heard any of them.



^^^^Hillarious.

I think it's more damaging to not acknowledge the systematic racism in the judicial system (especially towards blacks) , than it is to point it out as a major obstacle in the way of racial justice and equality.

I have a track record of voting for the lesser of two evils. This year, I might not even bother.
Doing something with our illegal immigration problem. There is one.