14 Years ago a Time Traveler Warned us of a Nuclear War with Russia in 2015

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S.SAVAGE

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I read this on another site, I remember when this came about in 2000

Just placing it here for discussion, possibly something to revisit in 2015

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14 Years ago a Time Traveler Warned us of a Nuclear War with Russia in 2015


Yep, another John Titor thread, all these years later. For those of you who are unaware of John Titor, he showed up on internet discussion boards claiming he was a time traveler from the year 2036 who was sent back to the year 2000. His first post was in November 2000 and his last was on March 24, 2001.

Titor wrote about many subjects and was most open about the science behind time travel, which many find very compelling. But what I want to discuss in this thread is what he had to say about an impending collapse of America and the resulting world war. He spoke of a US civil war that wasn't so much a shooting war, but a "steady series of Waco type events" resulting in the destruction of the constitution and complete federal encroachment on the major cities. At the same time this happens, the entire "western" power structure weakens and is tested by other emerging powers, culminating in nuclear exchange and WW3.

Skeptic Overlord himself said about Titor: "Review the information, discuss, debate, and draw your own conclusions."

Best taken with a large grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here it is.

Life is not easy. We live in a world recovering from years of war, poison, destruction and hate. All of it, courtesy of the thinking and actions of people that live right now in the same world you do, worrying about which stocks to buy while you sit by and watch your Constitution being torn away from you, you willfully eat poisoned food, buy manufactured products no one needs and turn an uncaring eye away from millions of people suffering and dying all around you.

Personally, my generation sees itself as having a duty to try and repair the mess our fathers handed to us. When we were young, most of us had a small taste of the world you live in now and our only dream is to clean it up and give it back to those still able to have children.

Please take a look at the front cover of this month's Popular Mechanics because it's a great example of your legacy to 2036 after the war.





(Will you readily be able to identify the enemy?) They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.



When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined.



I am not confident things are different enough for you to avoid the conflict. You may also consider the possibility that a world with no war is far less desirable in the long run.



Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself.



(What do the years from 2008 to 2015 look like?) Western instability during the conflict leads to the attack in 2015. WWIII is very short with a longer period of mop up.



Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?



(Does the events happening in the Middle east concerning the Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war? ) Yes. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.



Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency.



The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand".



I just saw another story today about the Russians moving Nukes into the Balkans to thwart any future expansion by NATO.



Are any of you familiar with the Russian partisan movement in WWII?



The (Russian) attack on Europe is in response to a unified European army that masses and moves East from Germany.



Russia's enemy in the United States is not you, the average person. Russia's enemy is the United States government.



The "enemy" that was attacked by Russia in the U.S. was the forces of the government you live under right now.



I know exactly where I was and every detail of the exact moment the first nuclear warheads began falling on Jacksonville.



In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States, (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective). The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we won.



In the opening hours of N Day, the Russians did not launch any high altitude detonations. They knew we would most likely clean up after them so they wanted everyone outside the cities to be able to communicate. Most of the warheads that hit the cities came in threes and exploded close to the ground.



Please be aware that from my viewpoint, Russia attacked my enemy who was in the U.S. cities. If you push a farmer too far, they stop growing food and have nothing to do but hide in the woods and shoot back. Their goal was to maintain power and control over other people. We killed most of them by 2020.



(Was alot of the United States' 18-24 age group slaughtered in the war because of Draft?) Yes.



It's hard to say what the exact racial make up of the U.S. is. I would say it's probably the same minus 130 million people or so.



Yes, Europe is a mess. The European Union was destroyed.



(Can you at least tell us which cities will be nuked?) No I won't do that. However, I submit to you that when the moment comes it will be absolutely plain as day that you are unsafe in the cities. The millions people that stay will choose to stay. That's what comes as a surprise.



(What is the specific Date that the Nuclear war starts? If you can't remember the exact date, could you put the month at least? An estimate!) I remember the exact date. When it comes, it will not be a surprise.
 

S.SAVAGE

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Well read up a lil on dudes story. Seeing how a civil war hasnt broken out, dude was just some basement dweller listening to too much Alex Jones
IONO man, in the state we are in it seems pretty much civilians vs. police for quite some time now.

again not saying ANY of this is accurate, just sayin'.
 

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Two Russian strategic bombers conducted practice cruise missile attacks on the United States during a training mission last week that defense officials say appeared timed to the NATO summit in Wales.

The Russian Tu-95 Bear bombers were tracked flying a route across the northern Atlantic near Iceland, Greenland, and Canada’s northeast.


Analysis of the flight indicated the aircraft were conducting practice runs to a pre-determined “launch box”—an optimum point for firing nuclear-armed cruise missiles at U.S. targets, said defense officials familiar with intelligence reports.

Disclosure of the nuclear bombing practice comes as a Russian general last week called for Moscow to change its doctrine to include preemptive nuclear strikes on the United States and NATO.

Gen. Yuri Yakubov, a senior Defense Ministry official, was quoted by the state-run Interfax news agency as saying that Russia’s 2010 military doctrine should be revised to identify the United States and the NATO alliance as enemies, and clearly outline the conditions for a preemptive nuclear strike against them.

Yakubov said among other needed doctrinal changes, “it is necessary to hash out the conditions under which Russia could carry out a preemptive strike with the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces”—Moscow’s nuclear forces.

The practice bombing runs are the latest in a series of incidents involving threatening Russian bomber flights near the United States. Analysts say the bomber flights are nuclear saber-rattling by Moscow as a result of heightened tensions over the crisis in Ukraine.
 
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far as the destablizing hes accurate. the obama reign has installed one puppet after another in the middle east after destabilizing the region. they overthrew the ukraine leader and installed a puppet goverment. now the russians are supposedly flying jets into usa airspace. the obama reign is gonna use bombing "isis/isil/al queda" to wage war on syria and install a puppet goverment there as well
 
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John Titor Wiki said:
The most immediate of Titor's predictions was of an upcoming civil war in the United States having to do with "order and rights".[10] He described it as beginning in 2004,[11] with civil unrest surrounding the presidential election of that year. This civil conflict that he characterizes as "having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse"[11] will be "pretty much at everyone's doorstep"[10] and erupts by 2008.

As a result of the war, the United States splits into five regions based on various factors and differing military objectives. This civil war, according to Titor, will end in 2015 with a brief but intense World War III:

Titor refers to the exchange as "N Day". Washington, D.C. and Jacksonville, Florida are specifically mentioned as being hit. After the war, Omaha, Nebraska is the US's new capital city. Titor is vague as to the exact motivations and causes for World War III. At one point, he characterizes the hostilities as being led by "border clashes and overpopulation",[12] but also points to the present conflict between Arabs and Jews as not a cause, but rather a milestone that precedes a World War III.

Titor claimed that as a 13-year old in 2011, he fought with the Fighting Diamondbacks, a shotgun infantry unit of Florida, for at least four years. However, in other posts he describes himself as hiding from the war.

Predictive failures

All of the following predictions are of events said to have occurred in John Titor's original world line:

The posts were met with skepticism when they were being posted, but it was impossible to prove beforehand that the predicted events would not happen. Even then, because Titor claimed the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics was correct, effectively meaning that his travel was from a parallel universe and that things could occur differently than he had predicted, the details he presented were unfalsifiable.

One of Titor's earliest assertions was that CERN would discover the basis for time travel sometime around 2001, with the creation of miniature black holes about half a year after his departure. This did not occur. An article occurring generally around the time he had predicted about miniature black holes being created by CERN (a recurring theme, also ascribed to Fermilab and Brookhaven at various times[13]) was taken by some to be evidence of this claim, but these events did not occur either.

Civil war did not break out after the 2004 presidential election, nor did conflicts in 2008.

Titor also unambiguously claimed that the last Olympics would occur in 2004. While it is unclear if he meant the summer or winter Olympics, several of both have occurred since this time.
Problems with the technology

Titor provided an image of a detail of a supposed time machine, with a laser pointer beam "being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit". The beam being "bent" reveals an inconsistency of objects near the beam not appearing to be bent as well: the framing of the window visible in the background, for instance, should appear distorted in proximity to a large gravity gradient, but it does not. Some have speculated the "beam" is an optical fiber.[14]

Titor claimed that he was sent back to obtain an IBM 5100 because it could translate several types of computer code. According to IBM engineer Bob Dubke, Titor's statements regarding the IBM 5100's little-known ability to emulate and debug mainframe systems were correct.[15] Supporters state that this information was not publicly available in 2000 or 2001 when Titor made his declaration,[16] and Titor himself stated that this feature was "discovered" as late as 2036 when Unix, as the underlying source behind all computer operating systems still running local infrastructures and other computational tasks, was only two years away from no longer functioning due to 32-bit integer limitations.[17] However, this emulation capability was widely known in the industry and commented on in depth in numerous publications dealing with both the 5100 and programmable microcode in general.[18] References to this were also available on the Internet as early as 1999 and therefore predated Titor's postings. This is a fairly obscure bit of trivia, however, which suggests that whoever was making the posts either was familiar with the machine specifically or else had at least a general interest in retrocomputing.[19]
Problems with the story

Numerous commentators have pointed out the extensive similarities between the Titor story and Pat Frank's classic post-apocalyptic science fiction novel Alas, Babylon.[20] Among other similarities, Alas, Babylon takes place in a small river-side town in Florida just before and after a nuclear war and describes the struggle to survive as a family in the aftermath. In the book, the protagonist lives in the fictional town of "Fort Repose", while Titor claimed to live in the "Fort", formerly the University of Florida.

Use of an automobile as a time machine has been a plot device in many popular pieces of fiction, from Disney's "Bedknobs & Broomsticks" to the DeLorean sports car in "Back to the Future." A caller to Coast to Coast radio pointed out, "The problem with John Titor is that he stayed too long," and continued to make "predictions" that were too easy to debunk, such as the cessation of the Olympic Games.

The internal consistency of Titor's story has been questioned: for instance, in some posts he claims that money is widely used and people still have credit cards, despite his statement that centralized banking no longer exists (this is either an inconsistency or implies the rise of private currencies). In another posting, he speculated that today's dollar would be usable in his time, but that this would be after the reorganization of the federal government according to his own history, potentially making the currency worthless.[21]

Other problems with the story include inconsistencies in Titor's comments. His first appearance appears to have been not in 2000, but in the summer of 1998 through two faxes to Art Bell's radio program Coast to Coast AM. When he began posting the online story, Y2K (January 1, 2000) had come and gone without any real problems. Yet in the 1998 faxes to Art Bell he said, "Y2K is a disaster. Many people freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The gov. tries to keep power by instituting marshall [sic] law..." [22]

In the online story, Titor stated that a part of his mission was to prevent the coming world war by changing history. Yet during an IRC chat in October 2000, a month before he began posting, Titor was asked if the future could be changed from his predictions, and answered "It's too late ... I just wish things didn't have to happen the way they will."[23] This stated mission also contradicts his other posts explaining that the multiverse theory is correct (see above), which would make changing history pointless in the context of his own timeline.
John Titor = Basically bullshit.

Should the US have a Civil War? 90% of the population is not ready or prepared for such an event.

Nuclear war has been a threat for decades, of course it is always a possibility, especially when the US is so good at making enemies and trying to continually manipulate world order.
 

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John Titor = Basically bullshit.

Should the US have a Civil War? 90% of the population is not ready or prepared for such an event.

Nuclear war has been a threat for decades, of course it is always a possibility, especially when the US is so good at making enemies and trying to continually manipulate world order.
maybe his time travel altered the time line. i mean thats what happened when bishop and cable time travelled in the x men